old man with ED seeking answer

[jayman75]

Hello,

I've been searching and reading for basics of using a pump. I'm 75 yr old and I just can't get hard, even with visual, self manual stimulation, including oral provided by a willing young lady. I am unable to get hard enough for penetration. Fortunately, I can climax with oral, but I want very badly to penetrate and have purchased a pump.

I'm looking for some beginer basics. My first attempt at using the pump, it did not maintain. I understand I need a ring to make it last. I tried a combination ring, but couldn't get the back part over my balls. (they are large).

When I get a single ring to replace the combo, when do I put it on? (before or after pumping). Also should make sure I am stimulated before I pump and or put the ring on?

Although embarased at this, my penis isn't that large (length or girth) . (compared to my balls, when flacid, my ppenis is barely visible. Is there a particular size ring I should get?

[Old Guy]

Hello. In my days of ED I tried a pump with little result. Think I may have been able to have penetrative sex once with it. I always put the ring on first then pumped up as much as I could tolerate, rest a bit then pump more. Pumped and rested several times until my erection felt good. Usually as soon as I released the pressure and pulled out of the pump my erection would decrease 30-50%.
One drawback to using a pump is you have to use lube, and don't think anyone wants to do oral on a lubed up penis.
As far as ring sizes one that's too tight will hurt before long, a loose fit will not work. It may take several trials to find the right size that works. I liked one that had two rings, a smaller one on the penis and a larger one went around your sack.
To add one more thought; the pumps you buy on eBay or Amazon are toys basically. To achieve the best results you need a medical grade pump, and they aren't cheap.

[bldoink]

Welcome to the forum.

Hello,

I've been searching and reading for basics of using a pump. I'm 75 yr old and I just can't get hard, even with visual, self manual stimulation, including oral provided by a willing young lady. I am unable to get hard enough for penetration.

Please provide more information. Do you have any natural erection response at all? As in are you getting a natural boner that just isn't good enough for penetration?

Fortunately, I can climax with oral, but I want very badly to penetrate and have purchased a pump.

What pump? Novelty/sex shop or medical grade?

I'm looking for some beginer basics. My first attempt at using the pump, it did not maintain. I understand I need a ring to make it last. I tried a combination ring, but couldn't get the back part over my balls. (they are large).

The "combination ring" would fall into the sex shop/novelty ring category. Most aren't designed to work well with pumps and don't. I do very much like the novelty rings but most don't work well with pumps as constriction rings. They can work very well as supplements to an erection that just needs a boost. I think they're great as a supplement to boost my injections. I haven't found any combination rings I've liked but I do like to combine rings in a similar manner.

When I get a single ring to replace the combo, when do I put it on? (before or after pumping). Also should make sure I am stimulated before I pump and or put the ring on?

OK, I will start off assuming we're talking medical grade pump and medical grade constriction rings. In which case you place the ring on the pump cylinder/tube, preferably with with an applicator made for that purpose. You then pump up to the desired hardness and then while the pump is in place on your pumped up dick you slide the ring off of the pump tube onto your dick.

If I now assume you're talking novelty/sex shop rings and pump it's up to you. You can try whatever works. It's difficult to get a seal with the pump on your dick with the ring already in place. If you have a ring tight enough to maintain an erection by itself, it would be very hard to put such a ring on when fully erect. With using the novelty rings with injections I put the rings on before fully erect. Balls first then dick.

Although embarased at this, my penis isn't that large (length or girth) . (compared to my balls, when flacid, my ppenis is barely visible. Is there a particular size ring I should get?

Ring size is a trial and error type of thing. So no, I can't recommend a size.

I don't know if I was clear enough or answered most of your questions. There is no one size fits all answer to any of this stuff.

Are you using any pills like Viagra? Have you tried injections?

Good luck.

Edit: As Old Guy responded while I was typing I feel I need to respond to some of his negativism. Granted pumps and constriction rings aren't a perfect solution but they do work satisfactorily for for many men. There is a learning curve with them and it doesn't appear Old Guy ever made that curve. By his description he wasn't using medical grade pumps and rings or at least wasn't using them correctly. As for his lube comments. Yes you do need lube. However, if oral sex is anticipated just use cocoanut oil. It works great and is palatable.

Edited again to get rid of stupid double negative.

[KenJ1947]

Just 2¢...I have used coconut oil almost 90% of the time for everything PE that doesn't require a water-based lube. I love it...my wife has no problem with it. (We use it in cooking a lot of the time.)

[jayman75]

Reply to BLDOINK

Something I forgot to add. I've been taking Finasteride for prostate for a couple years. Has anyone else had taken this? I understand E.D is common with it. I'm not taking for hair loss cause I have plenty. Rather it's for prostate.

Speaking of viagra, etc, I take Losartn for high BP. It's not real high (150/90). Losartin brings it down to about 130/70. Because of warnings, etc, I have not wanted to do this. Am I wrong in this assumption?

Natural reaction: It tries to come up. I would say maybe 25% from completly flacid. Attempts a penetration and frustration cause me to loose even the 25%

Pump: Novelty, bought on Amazon. It does appear to work (in a self test mode without a partner) but won't maintain)

Ring: yes, it was probably novelty, slicone type rubbeer, also bought on Amazon. It had two sectios. One ring to go over complete sack and another on the shaft. My balls are very big (Urologist tells me it's "hydrocel" retaining water). I'm considering minor surgery in the future. I could not get the larger ring over my boys, even one at a time as dirctions indicated.

Thanks for the advice. My learing curve has just begun. Going back a couple years in a different partner, there were some early indications of it not getting hard as it was even five years ago. However, I could achieve penetration. Once pentrated, sensations, stimulation greatly helped, even made it harder until I climaxed.

As for the pump leaking, I haven't seen that. It has a rubber membrane with a small hole that fits over the tube. The hole is only abouy 1/2". I'm not hard enough to push (penetrate) the hole. However, i put lube on menbrane aound and place the end of my dick against the hole. When I begin to pump, it pulls me in completely (about 2" flacid. From there, continued pumping bringss it up over 5". It doesn't hurt and maybe i can go further but i'm being cautious.

I don't have another ring other than the one with two parts so i cut the smaller ring off. Experimenting with this ring, I can not get it on. It won't push on and I can't see using a pair or plyers to pull it through. With lube, it seems like it would go on but but it's too slippery to do it with my hands. I'm thinking with oral stimulation to achieve 25% and then my partner's much smaller hands, lube and a better angle, the ring might go on all the way. From there, using the pump, if i can get 5" and it lasts long enough to go inside her, I think I would be happy.

However, I do see how some sort of sleeve would be helpful. Does anyone sell just a sleeve? such a novelty sources? For now, I'm continuing to learn and not ready to invest in a medical grade pump.

My next actual real life (with partner) encounter will be this weekend.

[bldoink]

Reply to BLDOINK

Something I forgot to add. I've been taking Finasteride for prostate for a couple years. Has anyone else had taken this? I understand E.D is common with it. I'm not taking for hair loss cause I have plenty. Rather it's for prostate.

I've read that some of those hair loss drugs can cause ED but I have neither experience or any expertise on the subject.

Speaking of viagra, etc, I take Losartn for high BP. It's not real high (150/90). Losartin brings it down to about 130/70. Because of warnings, etc, I have not wanted to do this. Am I wrong in this assumption?

High blood pressure is nothing to mess around with so I wouldn't quit that BP drug without getting on another one. 150/90 would be high for me and give me a headache. I'm lucky that cheap BP drugs work well for me. I take a combination pill of Lisinopril/Hydrochlorothiazide 20/12.5. I don't think it has any effect on my ED.

Natural reaction: It tries to come up. I would say maybe 25% from completly flacid. Attempts a penetration and frustration cause me to loose even the 25%

A good novelty ring(s) might work well for you especially if used with a Viagra or something similar.

Pump: Novelty, bought on Amazon. It does appear to work (in a self test mode without a partner) but won't maintain)

I think for purposes of sex with a partner you really need to get a medical grade pump and medical grade constriction rings. The novelty/sex shop pumps do work well enough for therapy.

Ring: yes, it was probably novelty, slicone type rubbeer, also bought on Amazon. It had two sectios. One ring to go over complete sack and another on the shaft. My balls are very big (Urologist tells me it's "hydrocel" retaining water). I'm considering minor surgery in the future. I could not get the larger ring over my boys, even one at a time as dirctions indicated.

I didn't have much luck with those combination rings either. The ones I tried were either too big do help or they were too stiff to get on. I ll suggest the "Perfect Fit Xact-Fit Play Zone Cock Ring Kit": https://www.amazon.com/Perfect-Fit-Rings-Sturdy-Storage/dp/B01J84E5OK/ref=sr_1_10?m=A3TAOWAGYCKEQI&s=merchant-items&ie=UTF8&qid=1549262029&sr=1-10&refinements=p_4%3APerfect+Fit. I'm not claiming these are the best but you get a wide variety of rings to play with. I'm currently using two rings from this set. A smaller ring around my balls and a larger one around my dick behind my balls. I think it helps me a fair bit. Actually the one on the balls is for the wife. She likes the boys packaged. I put the one on the balls on first. I then stretch open the larger one, loop it over my balls and then bend my dick through. I do have a fairly large set of low hanging old mans balls. I'm not claiming it's always easy to get the rings on. Some manscaping is a necessity and lube helps a bunch with removal.

Thanks for the advice. My learing curve has just begun. Going back a couple years in a different partner, there were some early indications of it not getting hard as it was even five years ago. However, I could achieve penetration. Once pentrated, sensations, stimulation greatly helped, even made it harder until I climaxed.

I hope I've been able to help.

As for the pump leaking, I haven't seen that. It has a rubber membrane with a small hole that fits over the tube. The hole is only abouy 1/2". I'm not hard enough to push (penetrate) the hole. However, i put lube on menbrane aound and place the end of my dick against the hole. When I begin to pump, it pulls me in completely (about 2" flacid. From there, continued pumping bringss it up over 5". It doesn't hurt and maybe i can go further but i'm being cautious.

Always be cautious using any pump. Guys do seriously damage themselves when not cautious enough. Yeah, with the pump with a membrane you will get a seal easier. However, although both medical grade pumps and novelty pumps are both pumps their purposes don't totally overlap. Pumping for sex with the intention of using a medical grade constriction ring really does require a medical grade pump and rings. Those don't come with those membranes. You must get a seal with the pump cylinder at the base of your dick. That will require both lube and manscaping.

I don't have another ring other than the one with two parts so i cut the smaller ring off. Experimenting with this ring, I can not get it on. It won't push on and I can't see using a pair or plyers to pull it through. With lube, it seems like it would go on but but it's too slippery to do it with my hands. I'm thinking with oral stimulation to achieve 25% and then my partner's much smaller hands, lube and a better angle, the ring might go on all the way. From there, using the pump, if i can get 5" and it lasts long enough to go inside her, I think I would be happy.

Try to get a medical grade set of pump and rings.

However, I do see how some sort of sleeve would be helpful. Does anyone sell just a sleeve? such a novelty sources? For now, I'm continuing to learn and not ready to invest in a medical grade pump.

I've never used a sleeve but some other members speak highly of them. I believe this is the one mentioned most often: http://uandmetime.com/products/store/#ecwid:category=1213451&mode=product&product=4958535. I think it would be worth your while to get a medical grade system.

My next actual real life (with partner) encounter will be this weekend.

Well, Good Luck

[LuisFernandez]

Yes, finasteride can absolutely cause ED. It also changes the morphology of the penis, specially at doses needed for BPH.
See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6116690/

[jayman75]

Is there any indication that ceasing to take Finasteride can lessen the effect? Stoppiong for a week, a month or many months? Or are the effect permanent?

[LuisFernandez]

I believe there is indication that after sometime some things can go back to normal, but it depends.

"How the corpus cavernosum reacts after discontinuing treatment with dutasteride or finasteride is unknown. It is also not clear if a completely normal penile architecture can be achieved after the washout period. In addition, it is not known how long it takes to restore normal morphology. Thus, future studies are warranted to evaluate the corpus cavernosum after discontinuing treatment with 5AR inhibitors."

I would say that vacuum therapy and possibly traction therapy can also help revert changes, along with daily Cialis.

[Growinjim]

I found Bystolic works for blood pressure AND doesn't cause ED (for me, I assume others.) Downside, it's expensive.I take half a tablet daily with approval from cardiologist.

It made a huge difference for me.