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Goodmorning everyone.
I am a reader of this forum and it seems right to subscribe to make my experience available, after reading so many tips and stories (similar to mine) here.
I live in Italy (Sicily) and I am 50 years old.
I had the first erection problems at 20.
In 1998, viagra changed my life, allowed me to have a stable partner (which later became my wife), then a daughter and so on.
in 2000 I tried a deep dorsal vein ligation surgery, thinking I would definitively solve my problems, but I only got a worsening of my condition.
between 2000 and 2015/6 I had a fairly stable sexual performance, with the use of ever increasing dosages of PDE5.
Then everything started not working, even in the morning.
I have consulted various doctors and tried all possible treatments (including shock wave but without benefits.)
So I switched to PGE1 injections (which I already knew) with great results and it seems to be improving a bit.
I also take tadalafil 20mg every night before going to sleep, for nocturnal erections and vigor in the morning. I take numerous supplements of vitamin b12 (for other health problems) and citrulline (which seems to have some effect ...).
As for the injections, lately I have been using my own method (which seems to work), I prepare them by mixing VITAROS 300 mcg (a drug available in Italy similar to MUSE, but in gel form) with a bottle of 10 ml of sterile water bacteriostatic.
so I get about 20 doses with a cost of a few euros and without stressing myself to go to the doctor, then order at the pharmacy, then pick up the drug, and so on.
I would like an exchange of views with those who use a similar method (I have implemented it after reading in the forum that someone does it with MUSE).
sorry for bad english, but I use the translator on google (my english is too basic).
I conclude by expressing my sympathy for the American people and their country (where I took a long vacation some years ago).
good life to us all.

Hey Italian brother!
I do hope you’ll be able to solve your issues somehow, maybe with an implant!

Welcome to the forum, or to actually joining. I recall the thread you referenced about using Muse to make a mix but unfortunately I don't recall who it was.

Good luck.

I hope to adopt the implant as late as possible.
as long as the injections work, and seem to work well, I don't feel the need.
Among other things, I am fond of supersport motorcycles and I do not know if the system would allow me to use them

I would think if done by a better surgeon and with very minimal if any RTEs it would be OK. I can't do the crotch rocket style for more than a few minutes. It just kills my back. I prefer an upright. Cruisers are an issue for me too.

Siciliantony wrote:Goodmorning everyone.
I am a reader of this forum and it seems right to subscribe to make my experience available, after reading so many tips and stories (similar to mine) here.
I live in Italy (Sicily) and I am 50 years old.
I had the first erection problems at 20.
In 1998, viagra changed my life, allowed me to have a stable partner (which later became my wife), then a daughter and so on.
in 2000 I tried a deep dorsal vein ligation surgery, thinking I would definitively solve my problems, but I only got a worsening of my condition.
between 2000 and 2015/6 I had a fairly stable sexual performance, with the use of ever increasing dosages of PDE5.
Then everything started not working, even in the morning.
I have consulted various doctors and tried all possible treatments (including shock wave but without benefits.)
So I switched to PGE1 injections (which I already knew) with great results and it seems to be improving a bit.
I also take tadalafil 20mg every night before going to sleep, for nocturnal erections and vigor in the morning. I take numerous supplements of vitamin b12 (for other health problems) and citrulline (which seems to have some effect ...).
As for the injections, lately I have been using my own method (which seems to work), I prepare them by mixing VITAROS 300 mcg (a drug available in Italy similar to MUSE, but in gel form) with a bottle of 10 ml of sterile water bacteriostatic.
so I get about 20 doses with a cost of a few euros and without stressing myself to go to the doctor, then order at the pharmacy, then pick up the drug, and so on.
I would like an exchange of views with those who use a similar method (I have implemented it after reading in the forum that someone does it with MUSE).
sorry for bad english, but I use the translator on google (my english is too basic).
I conclude by expressing my sympathy for the American people and their country (where I took a long vacation some years ago).
good life to us all.

în Italy the are god doctors the have implant god doctor Gabriele Antonini and Diego Pozza

Siciliantony wrote:Goodmorning everyone.
I am a reader of this forum and it seems right to subscribe to make my experience available, after reading so many tips and stories (similar to mine) here.
I live in Italy (Sicily) and I am 50 years old.
I had the first erection problems at 20.
In 1998, viagra changed my life, allowed me to have a stable partner (which later became my wife), then a daughter and so on.
in 2000 I tried a deep dorsal vein ligation surgery, thinking I would definitively solve my problems, but I only got a worsening of my condition.
between 2000 and 2015/6 I had a fairly stable sexual performance, with the use of ever increasing dosages of PDE5.
Then everything started not working, even in the morning.
I have consulted various doctors and tried all possible treatments (including shock wave but without benefits.)
So I switched to PGE1 injections (which I already knew) with great results and it seems to be improving a bit.
I also take tadalafil 20mg every night before going to sleep, for nocturnal erections and vigor in the morning. I take numerous supplements of vitamin b12 (for other health problems) and citrulline (which seems to have some effect ...).
As for the injections, lately I have been using my own method (which seems to work), I prepare them by mixing VITAROS 300 mcg (a drug available in Italy similar to MUSE, but in gel form) with a bottle of 10 ml of sterile water bacteriostatic.
so I get about 20 doses with a cost of a few euros and without stressing myself to go to the doctor, then order at the pharmacy, then pick up the drug, and so on.
I would like an exchange of views with those who use a similar method (I have implemented it after reading in the forum that someone does it with MUSE).
sorry for bad english, but I use the translator on google (my english is too basic).
I conclude by expressing my sympathy for the American people and their country (where I took a long vacation some years ago).
good life to us all.

sorry i'm italian too, how is this vitaros story? practically you put 10 ml of distilled water in it and you make 20 doses of 15 mcg, almost nothing, and you inject it into the cavernous bodies as you do with the cavejet?

frank66665 wrote:.... how is this vitaros story? practically you put 10 ml of distilled water in it...

No, you would not use plain distilled water. You would use bacteriostatic water sourced from a pharmacy made for the general purpose. It is sterile water with added ingredients to prevent bacteria growth, mainly alcohol, I think.

frank66665 wrote:....and you make 20 doses of 15 mcg, almost nothing,....

I don't know the mix ratio but I'd expect it would depend on the desired strength of the end product.

frank66665 wrote:....and you inject it into the cavernous bodies as you do with the cavejet?....

Yes, you would then inject it as with Caverject.

A Major Caution

In the U.S., when similar mixes are made in a compounding pharmacy, it must be a special compounding pharmacy licensed to make injection type drugs. They have to meet standards which include filtered air clean rooms and other requirements far beyond my limited knowledge.

As Muse and Vitaros are not intended to be injected into blood they very likely are not held to the extreme sterility standards as injection drugs. They also likely contain other ingredients, some of which may not be ideal for injections.

So, if you decide to follow through with using Vitaros as an injection drug, make sure you understand that you are taking a drug not produced to injection quality standards, potentially containing undesirable ingredients and you are then diluting it in a non sterile environment. There is certainly some risk involved.

Fortunately I'm able to source an alprostadil mono-mix from a somewhat local compounding pharmacy at what I consider to be a very reasonable price. For that reason I won't consider the risk of that procedure. However, if I wasn't fortunate enough to have a good reasonably priced source I would consider trying it as I can't afford Edex or Caverject. I'd for sure take a closer look at the ingredients and sterility of Vitaros or Muse first before trying it.

Good luck. If you try it let us know whether or not your dick falls off.

frank66665 wrote:

Siciliantony wrote:Goodmorning everyone.
I am a reader of this forum and it seems right to subscribe to make my experience available, after reading so many tips and stories (similar to mine) here.
I live in Italy (Sicily) and I am 50 years old.
I had the first erection problems at 20.
In 1998, viagra changed my life, allowed me to have a stable partner (which later became my wife), then a daughter and so on.
in 2000 I tried a deep dorsal vein ligation surgery, thinking I would definitively solve my problems, but I only got a worsening of my condition.
between 2000 and 2015/6 I had a fairly stable sexual performance, with the use of ever increasing dosages of PDE5.
Then everything started not working, even in the morning.
I have consulted various doctors and tried all possible treatments (including shock wave but without benefits.)
So I switched to PGE1 injections (which I already knew) with great results and it seems to be improving a bit.
I also take tadalafil 20mg every night before going to sleep, for nocturnal erections and vigor in the morning. I take numerous supplements of vitamin b12 (for other health problems) and citrulline (which seems to have some effect ...).
As for the injections, lately I have been using my own method (which seems to work), I prepare them by mixing VITAROS 300 mcg (a drug available in Italy similar to MUSE, but in gel form) with a bottle of 10 ml of sterile water bacteriostatic.
so I get about 20 doses with a cost of a few euros and without stressing myself to go to the doctor, then order at the pharmacy, then pick up the drug, and so on.
I would like an exchange of views with those who use a similar method (I have implemented it after reading in the forum that someone does it with MUSE).
sorry for bad english, but I use the translator on google (my english is too basic).
I conclude by expressing my sympathy for the American people and their country (where I took a long vacation some years ago).
good life to us all.

sorry i'm italian too, how is this vitaros story? practically you put 10 ml of distilled water in it and you make 20 doses of 15 mcg, almost nothing, and you inject it into the cavernous bodies as you do with the cavejet?

hello compatriot.
yes, I can confirm that I mix a dose of viataros (alprostadil 300mcg in gel form) in a 10ml vial of bacteriostatic water (it is the same water used by those who prepare the bites for bodybuilding at home).
each ml corresponds to about 30mcg of alprostadil (on average I inject between 50 and 80 units).
I prepare it by briefly removing the plunger from the 5ml syringe, squeeze vitaros inside (it is contained in a small syringe) and put the plunger back into the syringe.
then I aspirate from the vial a few ml of bacteriostatic water, shake everything until the vitaros has completely dissolved, then inject the contents of the syringe into the vial. I mixed everything well and put it in the fridge. (in Italy a dose of vitaros costs 12.00 euros, bacteriostatic water costs about 15.00 per vial, do the calculation yourself ......)
I accept advice from those who use similar methods, indeed I ask the administrators to move this thread to the injection forum.