My last bastion of hope to be cured of ED

[hypogonadal]

In case you have not read my intro posts, I've suffered from ED since I was 16- almost half my life ago. It never got better and never got worse. Pills use to work like a charm until I was 27, but now they rarely work at times at all. Was pushed away by a couple doctors when I complained about ED in my 20s. Never had much interest in sex, had trouble making gym gains, didn't regularly start shaving until my mid 20s, had spats where I wouldn't sweat during exercise, belly fat gains when I didn't overeat, poor concentration, the list goes on.

At 31 I found out I had hypogonadism, hypothyroidism, and venous leak (after being told I was normal by two doctors including one specialist). I was put on Clomid for secondary hypogonadism, which initially worked unbelievably well. It restored my penis sensitivity and I had nocturnal erections that were very hard. I got a spontaneous erection in a swimming pool with my girlfriend like I never had since I was 14. Then, it stopped working. Likely due to estrogen levels, but now my estrogen is in range and it's not working at all (except on paper, where it says I have 900 ng/dl and 90% free T).

Anyhow, this week I was prescribed injectable testosterone and human chorinic gonadotropuin (hcg). HCG is to maintain fertility by keeping my LH sending the signal to my testicles to keep natural T in spite of receiving exogenous T. I am very very excited about it. Its hard to believe and accept, how abnormal my life has been. How much of a negative impact ED has had on my life. How it made me different then everyone else. Its been something I thought about from morning to night for many years. Its been horrific. Lately I've had so little energy I could hardly do any laps at my local rec center, before I could jog for two hours at a time. Things have gotten worse since I have had better numbers on Clomid. It baffles me because Clomid cured me for a week after 15 years of venous leak and hypogonadism.

My only fear is that it doesn't work, I don't know where to go. If it doesn't work, I'd probably try injections which my doctor will prescribe if requested. He even mentioned the "I" word, though he told me that I am still along ways from that. Injections wont' increase sex drive, neither would an implant. So I don't know if it would bring me satisfaction.

I am looking for closure after a life of horrors due to ED. Its so hard to believe I've never been normal, looking at others, including those who get drunk every other night and eat potato chips until they pass out, with McDonalds for breakfast.. they still have erections, yet someone who tried to live a healthy lifestyle as myself has done, never had that "luxury."

[defiant]

I can relate to your story bro. How's it going now?

Don't forget the huge mental element that comes into play which only exacerbates your physical problems.

Why did the pills stop working? These pills are designed to withstand the cumulative effect and dependence should not be an issue. If they do stop working it's likely due to a deterioration in condition. Sadly.

Injections seem to have rave reviews. Obviously the thought of taking a moment out of the moment to inject your member isn't the best but hey, we gotta do what we gotta do.

There is always the I word and I think any good woman will stand by her man in that case. Many probably would have a problem with it, I'm not so sure what the general female opinion is.

Are you a candidate for the sclerotherapy?

[alibaba]

clomophene with testosterone works the best for me though I am currently out of clomophene and still 5 weeks away from the appointment to get a refill. On the gel testosterone, it took higher and higher doses to make subtle improvements in my tests or the way I felt. When I changed to cypionate injectable testosterone I was using a bottle of Androgel a week and still no higher than 450 test. 1 cc of cypionate injectable per week put me in the 700 range. Now use 2 cc and in the 1000-1100 range. When the pill form testosterone was still on the market, androcanoate, ( before removed due to liver cancer side effects) it took 7 times the dose to work well for me. There are many forms of the testosterone esters, there are many different half lifes ( how many days or hours till 1/2 the dose is still present in your plasma) and your body may or may not deal well with or metabolize as expected some forms.
Personally the cypionate which is the most commonly used form along with tamoxophen ( expensive) and or clomid added I think is the best. Clomid will keep your balls from shrinking and keep them producing sperm and testosterone. Tamoxophene is an anti estrogen. Clomid alone does not necessarily keep your estrogen in check. You might check me on this because it has been years since I studied this, but I am fairly certain I have it correct.

A quick check for resources I find this. http://www.steroidabuse.com/steroid-abuse-videos.html There are other resources that may be better but I advise not buying drugs off these sites that offer them. Not the one I used to use but helpful information about different forms of steroids. Every steroid you introduce into your body triggers it to shut down producing something, sometimes more than one so it takes a careful balance. Stopping steroids can take time for your body to ramp up production again. Testosterone levels can be normal at 300 or normal can be 1000. Many doctors say you are normal at 300 ( I've been told that many times) but the fact is, 300 did nothing for me. It took over 700+ to really notice a change. Who is to say you do not have a body where if everything worked correctly that 1100 would be your real normal? Our bodies are variable in many many ways and a good doctor will figure out where you fit in a variable scale. Most doctors tend to think anyone over a minimum level is fine and err on the side of caution also on the low side. I can relate having been on steriods since 1984. I shaved in my mid teens but never could grow a decent beard until after changing to cypionate 2 years ago. Now my beard is such a mix of white, grey, brown, black and blond that is looks horrid so I've never grown the beard I always wanted ( chinstrap). Muscle mass never was enough for any definition till then either. I was stronger when younger but no ripples I guess you would say. Now I am gaining the strength back, getting some damn fine grooves between muscles, chest hair, and the desire to be horny again like when younger. androgel did not do much for me in the horny department. Not every person reacts to a one shoe fits everyone approach. You may need a change of doc or endocrinologist though I found the endocrinologists were my worst doctors in this respect. They treated me as the text book says to treat everyone. My internist was willing to experiment around and see what would work and we found an approach that does fit well which is a fairly common approach, especially among body builders. An issue I did have with clomid is the higher doses did seem to make my head feel odd (50mg daily) but made some nice balls, 12.5 to 25 mg helped that considerably. 12.5 every other day kept if from affecting my vision.
Hope this helps to some extent or at least something to thing about and I certainly hope you are able to resolve your issues.
Be well
Cheers.

[hypogonadal]

clomophene with testosterone works the best for me though I am currently out of clomophene and still 5 weeks away from the appointment to get a refill. On the gel testosterone, it took higher and higher doses to make subtle improvements in my tests or the way I felt. When I changed to cypionate injectable testosterone I was using a bottle of Androgel a week and still no higher than 450 test. 1 cc of cypionate injectable per week put me in the 700 range. Now use 2 cc and in the 1000-1100 range. When the pill form testosterone was still on the market, androcanoate, ( before removed due to liver cancer side effects) it took 7 times the dose to work well for me. There are many forms of the testosterone esters, there are many different half lifes ( how many days or hours till 1/2 the dose is still present in your plasma) and your body may or may not deal well with or metabolize as expected some forms.
Personally the cypionate which is the most commonly used form along with tamoxophen ( expensive) and or clomid added I think is the best. Clomid will keep your balls from shrinking and keep them producing sperm and testosterone. Tamoxophene is an anti estrogen. Clomid alone does not necessarily keep your estrogen in check. You might check me on this because it has been years since I studied this, but I am fairly certain I have it correct.

A quick check for resources I find this. http://www.steroidabuse.com/steroid-abuse-videos.html There are other resources that may be better but I advise not buying drugs off these sites that offer them. Not the one I used to use but helpful information about different forms of steroids. Every steroid you introduce into your body triggers it to shut down producing something, sometimes more than one so it takes a careful balance. Stopping steroids can take time for your body to ramp up production again. Testosterone levels can be normal at 300 or normal can be 1000. Many doctors say you are normal at 300 ( I've been told that many times) but the fact is, 300 did nothing for me. It took over 700+ to really notice a change. Who is to say you do not have a body where if everything worked correctly that 1100 would be your real normal? Our bodies are variable in many many ways and a good doctor will figure out where you fit in a variable scale. Most doctors tend to think anyone over a minimum level is fine and err on the side of caution also on the low side. I can relate having been on steriods since 1984. I shaved in my mid teens but never could grow a decent beard until after changing to cypionate 2 years ago. Now my beard is such a mix of white, grey, brown, black and blond that is looks horrid so I've never grown the beard I always wanted ( chinstrap). Muscle mass never was enough for any definition till then either. I was stronger when younger but no ripples I guess you would say. Now I am gaining the strength back, getting some damn fine grooves between muscles, chest hair, and the desire to be horny again like when younger. androgel did not do much for me in the horny department. Not every person reacts to a one shoe fits everyone approach. You may need a change of doc or endocrinologist though I found the endocrinologists were my worst doctors in this respect. They treated me as the text book says to treat everyone. My internist was willing to experiment around and see what would work and we found an approach that does fit well which is a fairly common approach, especially among body builders. An issue I did have with clomid is the higher doses did seem to make my head feel odd (50mg daily) but made some nice balls, 12.5 to 25 mg helped that considerably. 12.5 every other day kept if from affecting my vision.
Hope this helps to some extent or at least something to thing about and I certainly hope you are able to resolve your issues.
Be well
Cheers.

Hey Ali Baba,

I have not checked this forum for a whie and noticed a few new replies, thanks for your lengthy and detailed response.

Testosterone is not normal at all at 300, those doctors who claim such things are uneducated on testosterone defiency and lack the competency to deem what is hypogonadism or even what requires treatment. Many medical studies (which can easily be accessed with Google searches), clearly reveal that having 300 levels of testosterone at a young age is pretty clear evidence of deficiency and possibly a diagnosis of hypogonadism. Even in older males, 300 would require treatment to feel good for most people.

1100 test levels for me were not normal. I actually obtained the highest T-levels when I dropped to lower doses of Clomid (I went down to 12.5 mg/day). When I was doing 50 a day, for the first couple weeks I was feeling rejuvenated, only to collapse and have estrogen levels that went 3x out of the high range of high. I never felt so terrible in my life. After this horrible experience, I switched to testosterone enanthate and HCG.

Why did you begin steroids in 1984 to begin with? I was born in 1984, had ED since I was 15 from a venous leak. Use to work well with drugs and now it sometimes works well (without drugs) if I can get the right balance of hormones, which is hard to do so far but certainly attainable.