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on redditt guys have reported good effects
https://youtu.be/X0HFpZAPO1o?si=hTQeMvLIRjjGn6DS

" from redditt ..Ok so I have had the vertica a little while. Yes it works. During pauses from any pills long enough for it to be eliminated, I notice morning wood, I find myself looking at girls on the street more and some half boners during the day. Don't ask me how microwaving the penis eliminates ed, but it works. Yes could be placebo effect. I am also in the period after shockwave therapy where improvements may be observed, I guess we are all trying multiple things..."
another comment ...."Am using this. This is working


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Extension_Raisin_201
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26 days ago
For how long have you been using it ? How severe was your ED ? Were you diagnosed venous leak ?


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25 days ago
No didn't penile doppler, but my symptoms was always penis look dead.erection maintaining problem and achieving. But after one month use if this vertica. Shrinkage gone. Alway penis looks fuller. Nd good improvement of erection."

I posted about it earlier
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=23743
I’d try it if it was avaible in my country. I guess noone here tried it yet.

There are some reddit members saying having positive effect, and there are some with no change at all.

The Vertica device sounds interesting. Apparently it's successful on venous leakage. Manufacturer is in Israel and its available in Europe and Australia. I wonder if they would mail order to US.

I used it in Italy, payed about 1700€. No effect on me.
But my ED was severe and even high dosage pills wouldn't work

If ED is severe there is only one solution (implant)

Any news on availability in the USA? It seems that there is no FDA approval needed and it is just a marketing decision to not bring it here. I know there is a trial being conducted at UC Irvine - perhaps they want to see those results?

This device seems like snake oil to me.

In their own website, they show the details of a study with men with only MILD ED (average 17 score). And they consider it a "success" because patients increased their score only 5 points. For reference, if you are in severe ED (level 1) and you increase 5 points, you will still be in sever ED (level 6).

These kind of things are really only useful for people with mild ED or psychological ed in my opinion, and a lot of it is placebo effect, since the study was not even controlled by placebo.

Put me in the highly skeptical category.

But the current trial at UC Irvine is being expanded to four other sites around the USA, so we might have some valid data in the next year.

Discovernew wrote:This device seems like snake oil to me.

In their own website, they show the details of a study with men with only MILD ED (average 17 score). And they consider it a "success" because patients increased their score only 5 points. For reference, if you are in severe ED (level 1) and you increase 5 points, you will still be in sever ED (level 6).

These kind of things are really only useful for people with mild ED or psychological ed in my opinion, and a lot of it is placebo effect, since the study was not even controlled by placebo.

the study in question :" When analyzing IIEF-EF scores of the participants according to age groups, the young (< 60) and old (≥
60) age group. IIEF-EF scores improved significantly in both age groups (16.47 ± 2.99 to 24.4 ± 5.35; p
0.001) and (18.0 ± 2.48 vs. 25.33 ± 3.17, p < 0.001.) respectively, Without a statistically significant
difference between the two age groups (P = 0.69)."

https://assets-eu.researchsquare.com/fi ... 1692342720

looks more than 5 points to me

timduncan wrote:

Discovernew wrote:This device seems like snake oil to me.

In their own website, they show the details of a study with men with only MILD ED (average 17 score). And they consider it a "success" because patients increased their score only 5 points. For reference, if you are in severe ED (level 1) and you increase 5 points, you will still be in sever ED (level 6).

These kind of things are really only useful for people with mild ED or psychological ed in my opinion, and a lot of it is placebo effect, since the study was not even controlled by placebo.

the study in question :" When analyzing IIEF-EF scores of the participants according to age groups, the young (< 60) and old (≥
60) age group. IIEF-EF scores improved significantly in both age groups (16.47 ± 2.99 to 24.4 ± 5.35; p
0.001) and (18.0 ± 2.48 vs. 25.33 ± 3.17, p < 0.001.) respectively, Without a statistically significant
difference between the two age groups (P = 0.69)."

https://assets-eu.researchsquare.com/fi ... 1692342720

looks more than 5 points to me

Here you have the screenshot from their own website. If you remove the +/-2.4 of the baseline you can be within 5 points. Even if it's 7 points this is not a cure for someone with serious ED.
Worth adding, it was not controlled against placebo, as sometimes people can report improved erections by the placebo effect. (for example the case of eroxon which is basically a placebo)



I wonder if someone in the forum actively used the device

Discovernew wrote:

timduncan wrote:

Discovernew wrote:This device seems like snake oil to me.

In their own website, they show the details of a study with men with only MILD ED (average 17 score). And they consider it a "success" because patients increased their score only 5 points. For reference, if you are in severe ED (level 1) and you increase 5 points, you will still be in sever ED (level 6).

These kind of things are really only useful for people with mild ED or psychological ed in my opinion, and a lot of it is placebo effect, since the study was not even controlled by placebo.

the study in question :" When analyzing IIEF-EF scores of the participants according to age groups, the young (< 60) and old (≥
60) age group. IIEF-EF scores improved significantly in both age groups (16.47 ± 2.99 to 24.4 ± 5.35; p
0.001) and (18.0 ± 2.48 vs. 25.33 ± 3.17, p < 0.001.) respectively, Without a statistically significant
difference between the two age groups (P = 0.69)."

https://assets-eu.researchsquare.com/fi ... 1692342720

looks more than 5 points to me

Here you have the screenshot from their own website. If you remove the +/-2.4 of the baseline you can be within 5 points. Even if it's 7 points this is not a cure for someone with serious ED.
Worth adding, it was not controlled against placebo, as sometimes people can report improved erections by the placebo effect. (for example the case of eroxon which is basically a placebo)

vertica.jpg

I wonder if someone in the forum actively used the device

ye, severe cases were excluded from the beginning unfortunatelly. and yes, this is just a pilot study, BUT there are many reports, too many for being a fraud like eroxon, which is everywhere reported as a scam.
i might add that radio frequency is being used right now for many other purposes (face collagen, hair follicles etc), it should mean something.
very curious about other experienced users, there are more than few on reddit.
expecting a device myself, trying not to get the expectations too high.