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Hey men,
need some input. I'm on testosterone and have been for over a year. Don't know
my level but first test was 182 after more than 6mo. I have no libido improvement
and for last 2-3 mo no penile sensation of any kind. I have adequate hard-on for
J/O but nothing happens. Have uro appt in Jan for blood and consult. I know
that I feel better on "T" and the VED therpy is improving length gain but it will
never return to what I was but that's ok. Any experience appreciated.

Try doing an internet search on every single medicine you take and look at the side effects. Take this info to your MD appt.

Greg

Hi Two things for you to have a look at DHEA, boosts testosterone, lifts libido and kicks up your energy levels, and its a hormone, then a herb called Tribulus this rins along the same lines as DHEA and you can even buy them as a stack if you read up about both, DHEA can have some funny side effects so have a good read up on it, but as far as I can remember Tribulus has non.
I also have herbal Tribulus, I grind it down and have it with green tea, let it steep over night, then have it hot with ginger, honey and lemon, all this you can find are good for the blood, which helps with erections.
With DHEA you start low dose, you then build it up to what suits you, me I'm on 75 mgs a day, 50mg first thing in the morning and a 450mg Tribulus, and another 25mg+Tribulus 450mg after dinner at night, for with Cayenne, Boric acid and L-Arginine and some daily vits, now without the vits have got me back up and running again, I got my ED from 3 weeks of very bad night sweats, we found out that night sweats are a precurser for ED.
Hope all this helps, it did me, its a herbal way out of ED.
Good Luck
NOHARD

I, too, am experiencing a total loss of ejaculate and very weak orgasms. It appears to be due to the side effects of FLOMAX, a common urinary tract drug that I am taking and am likely to be taking indefinitely. I am trying some supplements to combat the effects, Maca, and L-Arginine, but, so far, no improvement whatsoever. Here I have all this hardware installed (Coloplast Titan), I have a perfectly functional hard-on, and no money shot. Bummer. Bill

Hung,

Yeah FLOMAX will do that ... retrograde ejaculation ... instead of going down the chute .. goes up towards bladder ?? How is that even possible I do not know ....

Just another joke played on us by BigPharma ...

J

imhungguy wrote:I, too, am experiencing a total loss of ejaculate and very weak orgasms. It appears to be due to the side effects of FLOMAX, a common urinary tract drug that I am taking and am likely to be taking indefinitely. I am trying some supplements to combat the effects, Maca, and L-Arginine, but, so far, no improvement whatsoever. Here I have all this hardware installed (Coloplast Titan), I have a perfectly functional hard-on, and no money shot. Bummer. Bill

Cant your doctor find another drug that wont have the same side effects, there must be some other way to go, try earthclinic. com see if you can see anthing that may help or post to Ted hes the Guru when it come the alternative meds.
Good Luck

I was having the same problem with flomax. I could orgasm, but no ejaculate. Which my wife hates. She likes to see results when giving oral. So I talked to my uro and he put me on terazosin. I think that's how its spelled. Still helps with peeing, but can shoot my wife in the eye when I cum, if she isn't careful.

Good info bluis. I tried Flomax and now trying Rapaflow. Both have given me terrible side effects: head congestion, flu-like yukky feeling, leg cramps, and, yes, no ejac. When I go back to the uro on Tuesday, I'll ask him about Terazosin. I like being able to empty my bladder, but these side effects are not acceptable.

Thanks,

Greg

I had radiation therapy and then prostate seeding for prostate cancer plus 8 months of lupron (chemical castration). My testosterone got down to 3 and I was having trouble getting an erection. Now that I am off Lupron and its effects are wearing off, I get erections during the night (usually when I have a full bladder) and so I am very happy and feel very blessed to get my erections back. However, I basically get to a certain level and then flatline when it comes to orgasm and of course I have no ejeculate. I just thought it was because of my treatments. My urologist has me taking Flomax every day. I knew my light dizziness (which is very annoying) came as a side effect, but I didn't know it would affect orgasms. Doesn't sound like the other meds are much better. I suppose I just have to live with the lack of orgasm and be thankful for at least my erection, which some of the rest of you don't have.

I follow another posting on the PCAI. There was a thread started there on help for low or non-existant orgasm after Prostate Cancer treatment.
Here are a few of the posts:
A while ago I posted and there was a follow up flurry of posts regarding
loss of orgasm post RRP. This is not an often recognized side effect as is
the usually acknowledged ED and incontinence. And it doesn't seem to be
remediable.

One urologist claimed, based on a small study, that Cabergoline helped.
Some posted marijuana helped. But I didn't find either to help

What I will say from my personal experience is that the intensity and
sensation of orgasm has changed. The former to a low level of sensation, and
the latter being a very different feeling no longer the explosion.
Obviously there is nothing to ejaculate so that may be the basis for a
change, although I will say that once - and just last week, after four years
- I did have a sense of the old explosive orgasm. I will remain hopeful for
a repeat.
I would think it's hard to get anything with a flaccid penis, but some guys
do report they do. I need to be hard, which I accomplish with penile
injections, and the harder the more effective for orgasm.

Also to know, that some meds may diminish even the diminished orgasm. I feel
anti-anxiety meds have that effect, and statins may have that effect also,
as well as there must be others. (BTW, not talking libido here but effect on
orgasm).
A post from a lady:
Obviously I am not an expert on this, but I do have some observations. 1st,
> I think reducing frequency is not likely to help. What you need now is more
> stimulation, not less IMHO. I think the old proverb "if you want great sex
> in the evening, you must start early in the morning.", may have more merit.
> Not all stimulation need be direct touch either. Full body massages (not
> intended to be immediately sexual) are relaxing and sensual can be relaxing
> and sensory focused. Long, leisurely showers, or anything relaxing but
> physically enjoyable will do the same. Plus, walking. I know, that can
> sound more like work than pleasure, but I do believe exercise and especially
> walking can produce more benefits for those fighting this particular battle
> than most of the meds do.
>
> Remember too that orgasms are hindered by mental effort. If your mind is
> engaged in thinking about how to "get it to happen", it is not free to "let
> it happen". Pleasure yourself and your partner (if available) for the sheer
> pleasure of it. You are more likely to have the orgasms you seek than if you
> are chasing the orgasm.
>
> Don't think I am discounting the desire for orgasms. My husband and I have
> fought the good fight with ED, so trust me when I say that I believe this is
> important. Marvin has an implant now and that helps a lot with relaxed sex,
> but orgasms are still not as reliable or simple as they once were. I think
> we are both happier when we make sure that we have fun, relaxing time
> together and bring those same qualities into our sexual encounters.
>
> I wish you well, I wish you orgasms. Lots of them!
My 2 cents:
Carol's suggestions are good: watch your diet, exercise, touching.
I would just add to it.
Exercise will help keep the cancer away, as well as help you get in shape for better sex. Walk, run, whatever you can do--and do it regularly. Do kegel exercises, google it if you don't know how.

Watch your diet. There are certain foods that seem to help libido. One that I can think of off the top of my head is watermelon, but if you google "foods that increase male libido" you will get a ton of responses. You will have to sift the trash from the good stuff.

Non-sexual touching. As for skin-to-skin bonding, I find that very helpful. I really enjoy letting my genitals touch my wife while I am giving her a back rub, hip rub, neck rub, head rub or whatever pleases her. She likes a lot of pressure and as I apply the pressure that really turns me on--makes me feel virile. It has been proven that us older guys, even without having PCa treatment, need more stimulation too. So take turns and have her give you a chest rub, genital rub, whatever feels good to you and helps you get up.

I had radiation and seeding as my PCa treatment and it did a number on my ability to orgasm. I now have retrograde ejac which takes away from the total experience a great deal, at least for me. We guys just have to come to the realization that we won't be like we were before PCa treatment, but just try to make the best of what we have--at least we are alive and healthy.

I had a day when working on the computer at home and rubbed my frenulum off and on all day. By the time my wife and I had sex the next morning it was pretty great. Of course, I can't do that all the time and have only done it once, so I can't speak to how it works all the time. My experience with frenulum rubbing is that 30 minutes isn't enough. Maybe young guys can, but I'm not that sensitive any more so I have to be more patient.
One thing not mentioned, I think, is visualization. I would NOT recommend porn as that has been proven to be counter-productive, as well as not very moral. However, enjoy any feeling you might have down there, sort of live in the moment. You definitely do not want to stress over what is going on--am I getting an erection, am I keeping an erection, etc--, but just try to enjoy whatever is and even imagine, if you can, that you are growing and becoming more virile, etc.
Well, I haven't found the "secret" to orgasms yet, but this is how I am working on it and having some limited success. In the end just be thankful for life and its blessings, however meager they might seem, especially in this area.
Thanks for posting because in some ways I thought I was the only guy not having orgasms!

One other guy's remarks to Carol's post:
You are correct in your assessment. We all try different ways to approach
the issue with some results better than others. I believe we need to listen
to women and their sexual responses, as I'm thinking we men are now more
like women. Slow to warm up and when the moment comes it is either a
plateau just hanging there, a bump up with a mild release or a very nice
release. I seem to come down from whatever peak experienced a lot slower
and softer than I use to which again somewhat compares to a woman's reaction
at least with my experience.

In regards to a relaxation approach, I find merit in this as I often find a
sweeter orgasm when I prepare mentally to accept whatever it is going to be,
taking a relaxant light dose of Xanax, some lubrication and have comfortable
and deep penetration. Your right in saying that it is not like it was at
least for the male & pre RRP. I miss the automatic great ejaculatory
orgasms pre surgery , but find now I love the slower approach and appreciate
many details that I had missed before. It is much more sensual and things
flow better with my wife which I am remiss for not taking part in before
surgery. Maybe we are better lovers out of all of this regardless of the
orgasm intensity. How sweet it is to be alive with my wife in all phases.