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Hi Guys I have put myself back on Clomid, I did try this a few years ago but only on 10mg, after an FT buddy asking about and did some more research come with a couple of very good links these will be down below, so now taking 25mg, its not so much giving me good erections but is making me feel good, some muscle pains have gone, feel brighter, thinking better, just what you need at 69.
How does it happen Clomid blocks estrogen and boosts up testosterone, Clomid is a female fertility drug and it does not do the same in women as men, but we use it just to boost up our testosterone.

Right so any of you have any thing that can help with the future if your taking it, like side effects if any.

Links
http://jeffreydachmd.com/clomid-for-low ... -part-one/

http://shiramillermd.com/blog/clomid-me ... ative.html

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16422830

Who knows it may help some of you.

NOWHARD

I'm almost two months into your prescription. Should I stop it and use Clomid?

oowright wrote:I'm almost two months into your prescription. Should I stop it and use Clomid?

Hi OO if you mean your taking what I take no just add it on, I still take it daily and now Clomid, did try it a few years ago but not at this level, what I was on 10mg was far to low, this level will make you feel good.

Look all you can do is try it if you feel your not happy just come of it, but if you have read through the links it has no side effects. OK

NOWHARD

Ive been on Clomid and experimented with it for hypogonadism. I'm secondary, so I found out cuz Clomid worked so well. At 50mg a day, it made me feel very good for the first two weeks.. morning erections came back after over a decade and then swiftly went away. Estrogen went thru the roof, I mean.. thru the roof (3x out of the high reference range). Eventually I tapered down gradually via experimenting. My best results came at 12.5 ED, I got to over 1100 ng/dl of testosterone and estrogen began to climb down, as did lh and fsh. Arimidex did not control Clomid for me.

Eventually i gave up and went to injections of testosterone and hcg, where I am now.

At your age, 69, usually the cause of lower testosterone is primary- testicular- something that Clomid wouldn't help.

So I am confused why you feel better.

Hi hypogonadal, I'm just entering my second week of as they say 6 to 8 weeks to get the full effect, so early stages, but things are still OK as far as I know , not done any blood test perhaps your starting level was to much, I did 50mg as a starter, just to get going now its just a steady 25mg.

Just done a read through and on peaktestosterone if your taking nitric oxide with mine been on the now for over 5 years this should help your erections.

I read another case where Arimidex was involved same as you, perhaps it that part that is wrong, because Clomid shuts your estrogen down, did you read through the links in the first post?

NOWHARD

NOWHARD wrote:Hi hypogonadal, I'm just entering my second week of as they say 6 to 8 weeks to get the full effect, so early stages, but things are still OK as far as I know , not done any blood test perhaps your starting level was to much, I did 50mg as a starter, just to get going now its just a steady 25mg.

Just done a read through and on peaktestosterone if your taking nitric oxide with mine been on the now for over 5 years this should help your erections.

I read another case where Arimidex was involved same as you, perhaps it that part that is wrong, because Clomid shuts your estrogen down, did you read through the links in the first post?

NOWHARD

Well "they say 6-8 weeks to get full effect" is true; it is also true to say that it will take 6-8 weeks for the effects to diminish and estrogen to spike.

They use Clomid at 50mg for a test to distinguish between Primary (testicular) and Secondary (Pituitary) Hypogonadism.

Clomid does not shut down Estrogen. Where did you read that? Just Google: Clomid raised Estrogen and you will see more links then you can read. Clomid stimulates the pituitary gland, telling it to produce more lutenizing hormones which is sent to the testicles. When testicles receives this signal, it produces Testosterone (if you are not Primary). Excess testosterone converts to Estrogen. In my case, I could hardly walk thru a mall without getting tired or losing my breath due to the terrible effects of Clomid- Estrogen related side effects (This year I ran 8 marathons on Testosterone Injections to give you an idea of how profound of impact it had on me).

All I can conclusively say is that Clomid improves sex drive (in some) who have testosterone deficiency due to secondary hypogonadism- low T.

I did not read thru the links but I will take a look.

I wish you the best of luck nonetheless, maybe you had a underactive pituitary gland. Usually after 50, it's the testicles that start to slow done in terms of producing testosterone.

Make sure you get constant blood work though, all the best...

Sorry NowtoHard, I actually did read thru shirra miller and every single comment (probably two or three times) when I was on Clomid. I also am familiar with the doctor in the first link and read those two. I'm not sure on your medical study what ratio they are referring to, cuz they didn't note which measurements they used. Also 6 weeks (like Dr Jeffrey) is not long enough to determine the impacts on Clomid. For the first month or so, I thought Clomid was the best thing in the world- only to think it was the worst drug I ever took. I don't want to bash Clomid, cuz it has good uses for hypogonadism- but the problem is I beleive most doctors are not trained properly in treating hypogonadism with Clomid (or even Testosterone injections). Considering Clomid is an "off label use" drug for us, I had to argue with a physician in my city that it was even for hypogonadism.

Things will be different for you then me. I made a mistake of taking too high of a dosage. Once I tapered down to 12.5 everyday, I began to feel better but I stopped and switched to T before I could probably see the results. I did notice that while on 12.5 ED my LH and FSH came down, as did my estrogen. On 25 it was too much for me. Everyone will respond different. At your age, things will probably be different.

Really important to take blood work regularly, once a month if you can. If you feel great, that's all that matters, but if you start to feel sluggish and like hell, you can bet your estrogen has exceeded the limits.

Hi Hypogonadal, Well as I'm in Greece all blood tests are private, and a blood test come not cheap, but my last test every thing was spot on, I had an amazed UK doctor as I had been on DHEA for over 4 years, still am, Clomid I was on before ay 10mg which did nothing for me, so 25mg is working but am only on clomid.

Both drugs you on are for women only so wondering if the Amimidex is wrong way to go, have you ever thought that, have you ever just done the clomid on its own like me and others, even in the NCBI tests it was just clomid and with them its no side effects, makes you think?

NOWHARD

NOWHARD wrote:Hi Hypogonadal, Well as I'm in Greece all blood tests are private, and a blood test come not cheap, but my last test every thing was spot on, I had an amazed UK doctor as I had been on DHEA for over 4 years, still am, Clomid I was on before ay 10mg which did nothing for me, so 25mg is working but am only on clomid.

Both drugs you on are for women only so wondering if the Amimidex is wrong way to go, have you ever thought that, have you ever just done the clomid on its own like me and others, even in the NCBI tests it was just clomid and with them its no side effects, makes you think?

NOWHARD

Hello Nowhard,

Yes, I have tried just Clomid- it raised my Estrogen thru the roof. I have never experienced a worse time in my life then when my E2 was high.

If you look around the forums, Estrogen is the major problem with men on Clomid. Big problem.

I think if I stayed on it at 12.5mg EOD of ED, I would have had better results. On paper, Clomid worked, but it made me feel terrible due to E2.

At your age, your body structure will be different. Its impossible to know what your testosterone and E2 level is without a blood test, but if you feel great that is really great and all that matters. Unlike testosterone injections like I'm on, I'm not aware of Clomid having any adverse side effects, like thickening blood. Most Clomid side effects are ones you can detect without bloodtests.

Hi Hypogonadal, Just found this in a forum.
If you were still on Clomid when you tested your Estradiol E2 then you don't know what it is. A long time ago I read a post by Dr. John saying you can't test E2 on an SERM med you need to be off this med about 6 to 8 weeks to get good labs for e2.

That's very interesting. so perhaps apart from your own body telling you something is wrong then labs don't work the way you think they are doing.

Yesterday did walk with my dogs which has been taking far top long now its back to the time I was doing it a couple of years ago or longer. been slowly slowing up over that time, so something is working at last, did try it a few years ago but at just 10mg, it did nothing, then things do affect us in different ways.

NOWHARD