Erectile dysfunction is new to me, and I couldn't be happier to have found this board.
I've noticed many of you have suggested purchasing a VED device. Internet searches have not been very helpful in satisfying my concerns regarding proper usage. All I have learned is that one can damage oneself via over pumping. But what constitutes over pumping?
Generally, how does one use a VED safely, and for how long, how often should the device be used?
Thanks!
F1
p.s. I've read somewhere around here that the surgeon Paul Perito has said: "The day of your last spontaneous erection was the day your penis started to shrink." I've had erectile dysfunction for a little bit now--no spontaneous erections, no morning wood--but with manual stimulation (masturbation) I seem to have maintained, measuring myself quite frequently. Could someone please elaborate? Having said that, I don't plan on hedging my bets, and have decided to proceed with an implant this spring/summer.
Safe use of VED
Safe use of VED
40. Implanted July 5, 2024, by Dr. Andrew Kramer, Urology Associates of Cape Cod. AMS LGX, 21cm cylinders + 2cm RTEs. Idiopathic erectile dysfunction following bacterial infection. Tried pulse waves, Cialis, even spinal injections. Nada.
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I’ve been living with ED since my RP at the end of August last year, so I’m no expert, but I can give some advice as to what I learned. As you may already know, VEDs work by creating negative pressure, which draws blood up into your Johnson. There are two types of VEDS. Air pressure and water pressure. Water pressure is intended to be used in the shower or bath tub, so in opinion, limits its use.
I bought an air pressure VED offered by Encore. I paid over $100 for the kit. It has both a manual pump and a motorized pump. It has a sleeve that you place restriction rings on that when you reach your desired length, you twist the sleeve which pops the ring on without losing any pressure Very nice. The kit comes with a cone to help put the rings on the tube and a variety of restriction ring sizes. The rings have pull tabs on each side that helps you remove them. Lastly, the pumps have release valve buttons, which is a must. This allows you you to pump up a little, release them pump some more. Don’t buy one without this feature.
It typically takes me about 10 minutes or more to get fully pumped up. It is recommended by some on this site to leave it pumped up for 5 minutes, then release for 5 minutes, do this 3 times in the morning and 3 times in the evening
If possible, buy a VED with a pressure gauge. You will get plenty of advice as to what the max pressure should be. I’m not a doctor, so I’d rather not say, but if you start to feel discomfort STOP!
Place a mark on the tube where you feel comfortable and set that as your goal. Once you hit the mark a few times, you may want to set a little longer goal.
Start slow, this is not a sprint, but a marathon. Error on the side of caution is the best advice.
Guys, please correct me if I’m off base on any of this.
Good luck!
I bought an air pressure VED offered by Encore. I paid over $100 for the kit. It has both a manual pump and a motorized pump. It has a sleeve that you place restriction rings on that when you reach your desired length, you twist the sleeve which pops the ring on without losing any pressure Very nice. The kit comes with a cone to help put the rings on the tube and a variety of restriction ring sizes. The rings have pull tabs on each side that helps you remove them. Lastly, the pumps have release valve buttons, which is a must. This allows you you to pump up a little, release them pump some more. Don’t buy one without this feature.
It typically takes me about 10 minutes or more to get fully pumped up. It is recommended by some on this site to leave it pumped up for 5 minutes, then release for 5 minutes, do this 3 times in the morning and 3 times in the evening
If possible, buy a VED with a pressure gauge. You will get plenty of advice as to what the max pressure should be. I’m not a doctor, so I’d rather not say, but if you start to feel discomfort STOP!
Place a mark on the tube where you feel comfortable and set that as your goal. Once you hit the mark a few times, you may want to set a little longer goal.
Start slow, this is not a sprint, but a marathon. Error on the side of caution is the best advice.
Guys, please correct me if I’m off base on any of this.
Good luck!
64, Radical Prostatectomy in 2023, pills did nothing. Currently on Trimix with great success.
Re: Safe use of VED
Thanks for the reply!
How do you distinguish between intense pressure from the VED and discomfort?
F1
How do you distinguish between intense pressure from the VED and discomfort?
F1
40. Implanted July 5, 2024, by Dr. Andrew Kramer, Urology Associates of Cape Cod. AMS LGX, 21cm cylinders + 2cm RTEs. Idiopathic erectile dysfunction following bacterial infection. Tried pulse waves, Cialis, even spinal injections. Nada.
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Great question. The right answer is to use the pressure gauge.
Sorry i couldn’t be more specific.
Sorry i couldn’t be more specific.
64, Radical Prostatectomy in 2023, pills did nothing. Currently on Trimix with great success.
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Not "if" you get a pump with a gauge, get a pump WITH A GAUGE!
Start out by trimming your pubes around the base of your penis.
Get a good seal by using some unrefined coconut oil around your pubic base and then rub some all over your penis. Take two fingers and rub some oil around the first couple inches of the inside of your cylinder too.
Put your cylinder over your penis and tight against your pubic area, then reach down with your other hand and gently pull your testicles down away from the cylinder all while keeping it comfortably tight against your pubic area.
Release your testicles and start pumping slowly, increasing the pressure 2 - 3 pumps at a time until you get to, and then maintain, 3 hg.
After 5 minutes release the pressure a little at a time over a 30 second period. Massage your penis "gently" all around, like your trying to star a fire by rubbing two sticks together (firegoat rolls), for at least 2 minutes.
Start the whole process over for a second set, only this time pump up to 4 hg., repeating all steps above exactly the same way.
Start again for a 3rd and final set, pumping up to 5 hg. this time, again repeating all steps listed above exactly as stated.
Do this routine Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, no more, for 3 months. This will condition your penis to pumping before you possibly move on to longer pump sessions. After 3 months you can try doing 3 ten minute sets, but at the same vacuum pressure, never higher than 5 hg., and see how your penis responds to the change, but only after 3 months!
NOTE: Pumping at higher pressures can result in discoloration, edema, blisters, broken capillaries, and poor erection quality (EQ). It may be tempting to try and see how big you can get, but don't, slow and steady wins this race my friend. You can have a bloated hunk of meat, or a functioning penis with good erection quality, plus you'll probably notice a return of nocturnal erections and morning wood.
What is your erect girth ( 4", 4.5", 5", 5.5", 6")? This will dictate the tube size you should have. Too big of a diameter and your testicles will get sucked in, too small and it'll be too tight once you're pumped. If you desire to gain girth it needs to be a 1/4"+ larger diameter than your erect girth (EG), if it's length you want to gain back then you want a tube that's very close to your erect girth, that way when you pump it only has one way to go, longer, but your tube needs to be long enough to allow for the length expansion, say 9".
Start out by trimming your pubes around the base of your penis.
Get a good seal by using some unrefined coconut oil around your pubic base and then rub some all over your penis. Take two fingers and rub some oil around the first couple inches of the inside of your cylinder too.
Put your cylinder over your penis and tight against your pubic area, then reach down with your other hand and gently pull your testicles down away from the cylinder all while keeping it comfortably tight against your pubic area.
Release your testicles and start pumping slowly, increasing the pressure 2 - 3 pumps at a time until you get to, and then maintain, 3 hg.
After 5 minutes release the pressure a little at a time over a 30 second period. Massage your penis "gently" all around, like your trying to star a fire by rubbing two sticks together (firegoat rolls), for at least 2 minutes.
Start the whole process over for a second set, only this time pump up to 4 hg., repeating all steps above exactly the same way.
Start again for a 3rd and final set, pumping up to 5 hg. this time, again repeating all steps listed above exactly as stated.
Do this routine Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, no more, for 3 months. This will condition your penis to pumping before you possibly move on to longer pump sessions. After 3 months you can try doing 3 ten minute sets, but at the same vacuum pressure, never higher than 5 hg., and see how your penis responds to the change, but only after 3 months!
NOTE: Pumping at higher pressures can result in discoloration, edema, blisters, broken capillaries, and poor erection quality (EQ). It may be tempting to try and see how big you can get, but don't, slow and steady wins this race my friend. You can have a bloated hunk of meat, or a functioning penis with good erection quality, plus you'll probably notice a return of nocturnal erections and morning wood.
What is your erect girth ( 4", 4.5", 5", 5.5", 6")? This will dictate the tube size you should have. Too big of a diameter and your testicles will get sucked in, too small and it'll be too tight once you're pumped. If you desire to gain girth it needs to be a 1/4"+ larger diameter than your erect girth (EG), if it's length you want to gain back then you want a tube that's very close to your erect girth, that way when you pump it only has one way to go, longer, but your tube needs to be long enough to allow for the length expansion, say 9".
Retired 65 y.o. Married. Moderate ED since 2019. Use constriction band ocassionately to help maintain erection, or Cialis/Viagra. Nocturnal/morning erections returning with VED usage. Lower libido than before.
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Spontaneous. Thanks for the well written post. I too am about to purchase my first VED for the same reasons as Fucked1 and will follow your suggestions. Any recommendations on a device? Definitely with a gauge.
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Shakey, check out kodidistributing.com, they have LeLuv cylinders at reasonable pricing, plus they explain sizing very well. You will then need to purchase a brake bleeder kit from Harbor Freight Tools, or Amazon, to complete your setup.
Retired 65 y.o. Married. Moderate ED since 2019. Use constriction band ocassionately to help maintain erection, or Cialis/Viagra. Nocturnal/morning erections returning with VED usage. Lower libido than before.
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The LeLuv Smart LED Pump has a guage.
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You don't need an expensive pump, you could get the LeLuv Master Gauge in whatever size you need. It'd be a lot cheaper to go that route.
Retired 65 y.o. Married. Moderate ED since 2019. Use constriction band ocassionately to help maintain erection, or Cialis/Viagra. Nocturnal/morning erections returning with VED usage. Lower libido than before.
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Thanks, Spontaneous1! Very informative, very helpful. This pretty much answers all my questions.
F1
F1
40. Implanted July 5, 2024, by Dr. Andrew Kramer, Urology Associates of Cape Cod. AMS LGX, 21cm cylinders + 2cm RTEs. Idiopathic erectile dysfunction following bacterial infection. Tried pulse waves, Cialis, even spinal injections. Nada.
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