How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

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dg_moore
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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby dg_moore » Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:14 pm

HazelEyes wrote:What I meant more specifically is once it would fail, does the average person have a chance to get a revision or is that it? It's hard to find studies talking about people with long term penile implants and multiple revisions over decades.[]

Since your penile implant eventually failed, would you be suitable to get a revision? Ignoring that you personally never choose to use it.


I could get a replacement or repair if I so decided, but since I'm now 77 and my sex life ended almost 20 years ago getting a repair or replacement would make no sense.
Dave, 80, Maryland - Implant (Titan) 2008 by Dr. Andrew Kramer (failed Sept 2020) - never used due to a stroke that, among other things, ended my sex life.
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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby Gt1956 » Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:54 pm

Hazeleyes, I've read somewhere around 1/3 of the threads posted on FT. To the best of my recollection I have never read of a guy that could not get a new or revised implant. Now to be clear, I'm sure that there is one somewhere that couldn't get one. But I haven't found him yet.
Bottom line. In my opinion, your scenario is baseless. It is just feeding your fear. As I'm sure that you have read or should of read. The most common lament is that guys say that they should of gotten an implant years earlier. Doesn't that tell you something?
If you're happy with a limp dick, you're welcome to keep it. No one will judge you for having it. Just know that you do have a choice that will give you a dependable erection with very few inconveniences.
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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby Waynetho » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:11 pm

dg_moore wrote:Like all things medical, it's pretty much a crapshoot. My Titan lasted 12 years, even though it was never used and was inflated only a few times a year. If you're lucky, yours may last 10 or 15 years; if not, it may quit after a few months. But neither of these extremes should affect your decision. It's a chance worth taking.


Dave, I just thought about some possible things that could've affected your little used implant. Have you had the trouble diagnosed yet? A couple of thoughts on the subject are:

  1. VALVE JAM due to non-use (possibly salt crystals in the saline depositing out of solution and causing the valve to jam.)
  2. Normal wear and tear to the physical tubing from incidental movements of your body (not the use of the pump and implant cylinders)

Also, some models of Titans (if not all) have a check-valve inside the reservoir to prevent auto-inflation. Perhaps that valve got jammed rather than the one in the pump.
62yo, married 41 yrs. Urolift (x4) 8/12/19. AMS 700CX 15cm (no RTE) penoscrotal 10/28/19, Frisco, TX. PD 1995/ED 2011. Cialis helped but hinged. (1995)L:6/G:5.5+, (2019)Pre-op L:5/G:4.5, (2/2020)L:6.0/G:5.0

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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby HazelEyes » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:31 pm

Waynetho wrote:
dg_moore wrote:Like all things medical, it's pretty much a crapshoot. My Titan lasted 12 years, even though it was never used and was inflated only a few times a year. If you're lucky, yours may last 10 or 15 years; if not, it may quit after a few months. But neither of these extremes should affect your decision. It's a chance worth taking.


Dave, I just thought about some possible things that could've affected your little used implant. Have you had the trouble diagnosed yet? A couple of thoughts on the subject are:

  1. VALVE JAM due to non-use (possibly salt crystals in the saline depositing out of solution and causing the valve to jam.)
  2. Normal wear and tear to the physical tubing from incidental movements of your body (not the use of the pump and implant cylinders)

Also, some models of Titans (if not all) have a check-valve inside the reservoir to prevent auto-inflation. Perhaps that valve got jammed rather than the one in the pump.


No, I remember Dave mentioning that his implant worked fine in earlier posts, his wife just didn't want to have sex anymore.
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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby HazelEyes » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:38 pm

Gt1956 wrote:Hazeleyes, I've read somewhere around 1/3 of the threads posted on FT. To the best of my recollection I have never read of a guy that could not get a new or revised implant. Now to be clear, I'm sure that there is one somewhere that couldn't get one. But I haven't found him yet.
Bottom line. In my opinion, your scenario is baseless. It is just feeding your fear. As I'm sure that you have read or should of read. The most common lament is that guys say that they should of gotten an implant years earlier. Doesn't that tell you something?
If you're happy with a limp dick, you're welcome to keep it. No one will judge you for having it. Just know that you do have a choice that will give you a dependable erection with very few inconveniences.


That's actually great to hear GT1956, I'm not sure where I heard otherwise then. Revisions seemed to be the only downside to an implant from what I could gather but your anecdotal evidence makes me less skeptical of that issue, thank you.

Should I ever get ED, an implant seems like a viable treatment.
Born 1998. Hopeful for advances in tissue engineering, no point being skeptical

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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby Waynetho » Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:09 pm

HazelEyes wrote:
Waynetho wrote:
dg_moore wrote:Like all things medical, it's pretty much a crapshoot. My Titan lasted 12 years, even though it was never used and was inflated only a few times a year. If you're lucky, yours may last 10 or 15 years; if not, it may quit after a few months. But neither of these extremes should affect your decision. It's a chance worth taking.


Dave, I just thought about some possible things that could've affected your little used implant. Have you had the trouble diagnosed yet? A couple of thoughts on the subject are:

  1. VALVE JAM due to non-use (possibly salt crystals in the saline depositing out of solution and causing the valve to jam.)
  2. Normal wear and tear to the physical tubing from incidental movements of your body (not the use of the pump and implant cylinders)

Also, some models of Titans (if not all) have a check-valve inside the reservoir to prevent auto-inflation. Perhaps that valve got jammed rather than the one in the pump.


No, I remember Dave mentioning that his implant worked fine in earlier posts, his wife just didn't want to have sex anymore.


He said it recently failed (several months ago) and wouldn't inflate. Prior to that he pumped up infrequently, only a couple of times a year (per his statement in this thread). I was suggesting possible causes for it to suddenly fail without overuse as he seemed surprised that it would fail when it never got used and rarely pumped up. Logically there's either wear & tear from normal body movements causing damage over the 12 years he's had it, or something might have jammed the valves somewhere.
62yo, married 41 yrs. Urolift (x4) 8/12/19. AMS 700CX 15cm (no RTE) penoscrotal 10/28/19, Frisco, TX. PD 1995/ED 2011. Cialis helped but hinged. (1995)L:6/G:5.5+, (2019)Pre-op L:5/G:4.5, (2/2020)L:6.0/G:5.0

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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby oldbeek » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:46 pm

Hazeleyes,,, Why are you bothering us with the questions. You said you don't have ED. DGMoore had a stroke shortly after his implant is why he didn't both repairing it.
82, good health, RP 7-2017, all nerves taken , PSA 0.05, 4-18,, .07 1/19,.05 4/19, .03 11-21, .04 11-23, implanted 4-1-18, Infra-pubic, AMS lgx 15 cm with 5cm rte. Implant at USC Keck. Dr Boyd and Dr Loh Doyle 6.5 x 5, 800 AUS 7-21-20

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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby Gt1956 » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:34 pm

HazelEyes wrote:
Gt1956 wrote:Hazeleyes, I've read somewhere around 1/3 of the threads posted on FT. To the best of my recollection I have never read of a guy that could not get a new or revised implant. Now to be clear, I'm sure that there is one somewhere that couldn't get one. But I haven't found him yet.
Bottom line. In my opinion, your scenario is baseless. It is just feeding your fear. As I'm sure that you have read or should of read. The most common lament is that guys say that they should of gotten an implant years earlier. Doesn't that tell you something?
If you're happy with a limp dick, you're welcome to keep it. No one will judge you for having it. Just know that you do have a choice that will give you a dependable erection with very few inconveniences.

That's actually great to hear GT1956, I'm not sure where I heard otherwise then. Revisions seemed to be the only downside to an implant from what I could gather but your anecdotal evidence makes me less skeptical of that issue, thank you.
Should I ever get ED, an implant seems like a viable treatment.

It's simple. Just an urban legend. Way too many arm chair experts on the internet that don't know a thing about what they post about. At the very least, do your research. I have seen the FT library of posts grow by over 100 threads in the short time I've been a member. Throw in the threads I found by using the search function & I believe I've read about 1/3 of the implant threads. Some guy smarter than me said knowledge is power.
If you fear eventually getting ED. Get powerful by reading the archives. Watch the YouTube videos. They're also a great source of info.
Also concerning Dgmoore. I've read lots of his posts. I understand his situation. I give him the respect he deserves for his decisions based upon his health. Life doesn't always move in the direction that we want.
68yo, HBP at 40, high triglycerides at 45. Phimosis at 57. Type 2 at 60. Dr. William Brant May 1, 2023 CX 21cm w/no rte's penoscrotal 6" girth @ 6 months

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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby Lost Sheep » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:13 am

HazelEyes wrote:
Lost Sheep wrote:Welcome to the forum, HazelEyes.



Think of it this way:

The example of a man with a bum leg who can hobble through a mile run in 45 minutes, but amputate and replace the leg with a prosthesis and he can do that mile in 10 minutes (not world-class running but a lot better than he could do before). But the leg, if it breaks and he will be in a wheelchair. Parallel this with a penile implant. No sex, or extremely bad sex, but remove the corpus cavernosum to insert an implant and he can have sex almost as good as when he was intact and fully capable. But if the implant breaks, he is in a wheelchair....until he gets a replacement implant.

So, my choices were to continue with crippled sex (fellatio still worked and cunnilingus sufficed) or go for the implant for assisted sex more like natural. A choice unaffected by expected service life of the prosthetic.



I think I was trying to ask a more semantic question, like statistically how many men are capable of getting a revision after receiving an implant? How many studies are there on dudes who have had multiple revisions over multiple decades?

In most cases I've read on here it seems the implant leaves people with less sensation in their penis and less ability to orgasm. If an implant failed and you were only 30 something years old and weren't fit for a revision, seems like you're a lot worse off than before and you still have many decades of enduring the regret of that decision. At least before you would of still been able to feel your penis and orgasm as awkward as that would of been.

I don't have ED but I've thinking about what I would do if I did get it one day and the revisions required for penile implants seem to instill a lot of uncertainty in my decision to consider that option since I don't know how many revisions a person is capable of withstanding before their penis basically breaks.

OK, I get it. My reasoning still applies, I think. My point was that anticipating potential revisions is a good thing to do so you are aware of all potential outcomes. But if an implant is necessary, the revision question is largely irrelevant in that it does not matter. Future revisions do not bear on an impotent man's contemporaneous condition. That is, even if a (future) revision would not ever be possible, the implant would treat an otherwise untreatable condition. So, the question of whether or not to implant is clearly answered, "yes". If the man is not irreversibly impotent, an implant is not indicated, no matter of revisions were easy or not.

Sensation: Some men do lose sensation. Any time a surgery is performed, nerve damage is possible, but not inevitable. In my case, the order of preference of sexual activities has changed. Masturbation is not very satisfactory and takes longer than it used to. Fellatio (previously preferable to coitus, probably because it was more successful than coitus at achieving my orgasms because coitus was a guaranteed dead end). But coitus has taken a superlatively starring role in my love-making repertoire. So, you might infer that I lost feeling in some ways and gained feeling in other ways. On a scale of 1 to 10, my pre-implant score was maybe 2 or 3 because fellatio and cunnilingus still sufficed, albeit only as a compromise. Post-implant, I think 8 to 10. 8 because my erections are not spontaneous. 10 because my ability to enter m lover and stay erect, no matter what (refractory period after ejaculation does not cause erectile collapse, nor does venous leakage). So, my sex life is absolutely improved and well worth going through the operation, no matter what the future holds.

I suppose one could have so many revisions that the penis is no longer operable, but I have never heard of any man who met that fate. Some men are limited in which implants they can have, but Coloplast and AMS have a lot of options in their inventories.
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Re: How long can you make the penile implants of today last?

Postby barrylandon » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:01 am

I don't have ED but I've thinking about what I would do if I did get it one day and the revisions required for penile implants seem to instill a lot of uncertainty in my decision to consider that option since I don't know how many revisions a person is capable of withstanding before their penis basically breaks.

I really don't understand why a guy who doesn't have ED would waste his time on this forum for men who DO suffer from ED and or have gotten a penile implant to enable them to enjoy sexual relations again.
If you don't have cancer nor has anyone you care about had cancer, would you spend time on a forum about dealing with cancer? Why worry about something that might or might not happen in the future? Even if it did, say 10 or 20 years from now, there would likely be new (and probably better) treatment options for ED. In other words, please fuck off...and I mean that in only the most positive way.
Implanted 5/6/20 by Dr. Jesse Mills at UCLA; AMS 700 LGX 18 cm w/2 cm RTEs. I'm 76 & fit but had ED for 20 years. Pills/injections ultimately failed, including 3 ER trips for Priapism; Shockwave & embryonic stem cell therapies didn't help either.


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