Does it last really 10 years?

[defiant]

I would stop trying to determine longevity by analysing user feedback and reports from this website. Indeed, people who have issues, problems, an axe to grind, will flock to the Internet and find the number 1 resource pertaining to that which ails them. In this case, Franktalk is one of if not the most pertinent online resource for men with or considering implants.

Keep in mind that the majority of implanted men receive their devices and from what I can certainly discern having read studies and articles alike, go off on their merry way, not to be heard from again until many years down the line.

I do believe the majority of implants placed today will last at least 8 years.

Respectfully I disagree a little bit. It may happens you have to pay out of pocket for all your life, so feedback about durability and even feedback from malleable users have value. Yes people tend to jump on the web more often when have issues and walk away when they are fine. That's preatty common and reasonable. But since it's marketed as a 10 - 15y device I would expect to see more 10 - 15y revisions. Actually I would like to read more of that.

I get where you’re coming from. I wish there were more users here reporting either a functional implant at 10+ years or replacements in the 10-15 year range.

I do stand by what I said. I do believe most will just not come here specifically to update the rest of us mostly because they’re happy to put ED behind them.

I can think of one or two from their updates here that used them as regularly as you would a natural penis and lasted 10+ years and I know of a few here (again, those who don’t update anymore) who are 5+ years and I assume going strong.

I see no reason for scientific papers to lie about statistics either, ie the majority of implants (I don’t know the %) still being functional at 10 years.

[Gt1956]

My view, for what little its worth. Worrying about service life, in the long view, doesn't matter very much. Impotence is every day going forward. What is the next best option guys??
Sure, the system of finding a surgeon, getting insurance approval & hospital time eats up time. But without an implant who would you be banging. At least you had sex up until the failure.
Revision should be put into groups. Many men have a pump or tubing failure. Honestly, reports are that those repairs are a simple surgery & short recoveries.
Insurance & approval time may get shorter as you age. You won't be young forever. Its my understanding that once you hit Medicare age. Approvals are quick, coverage is assured. Most men only need to run out the calendar.

[SteveSW]

I've had my implant almost a year, and this is just my view regarding revisions and the possibility that I might need one someday. If lots of usage does shorten the lifespan, so be it. I'm certainly not going to curtail my sexual activities just to protect the implant. I'm having more sex than at any time in my life and loving every minute of it. So, if it fails, I'll be on the phone scheduling revision surgery ASAP. The joy of a dependable hard on far outweighs the risk. Again, just my outlook.

[Fourtytwo00]

@Gt1956 and SteveSW: I agree with your philosophy but I suppose you're assuming there's always an insurance or a government sponsored program that can pay or at least copay for your implant and revision. This is not always the case.

There are lots of countries where:
- PRIVATE INSURANCES DO NOT COVER ED TREATMENTS AS A RULE.
- PRIVATE INSURANCES DO NOT PAY FOR PREEXISTING CONDITION
Often this is more the rule than the exception. Believe it or not but in Italy private insurers don't cover people older than 75 for any health issue as a commerci
Rn2veal rule. Discrimination by age is preatty common around the world. So basically there are few options:
- Government / State Healthcare, with its queues and limited choice
- Eventually, additional health coverage provided by the employer, which often is a benefit of collective bargaining.
- PAYING OUT OF POCKET

So if you have to pay out of pocket any time, doing the math about durability is important. Budget constraints require painful choices. It's important to figure out proper expectations.

That's why I'd like to read more 10+ stories.

[Gt1956]

@Gt1956 and SteveSW: I agree with your philosophy but I suppose you're assuming there's always an insurance or a government sponsored program that can pay or at least copay for your implant and revision. This is not always the case.

There are lots of countries where:
- PRIVATE INSURANCES DO NOT COVER ED TREATMENTS AS A RULE.
- PRIVATE INSURANCES DO NOT PAY FOR PREEXISTING CONDITION
Often this is more the rule than the exception. Believe it or not but in Italy private insurers don't cover people older than 75 for any health issue as a commerci
Rn2veal rule. Discrimination by age is preatty common around the world. So basically there are few options:
- Government / State Healthcare, with its queues and limited choice
- Eventually, additional health coverage provided by the employer, which often is a benefit of collective bargaining.
- PAYING OUT OF POCKET

So if you have to pay out of pocket any time, doing the math about durability is important. Budget constraints require painful choices. It's important to figure out proper expectations.

That's why I'd like to read more 10+ stories.

I fully understand every word that you have said. Living in what many people consider an uncaring or brutal country for healthcare. I've nearly always found a way around the obstacle.
Preexisting conditions. I have been covered by what here is considered a "group plan" since I was 17. Preexisting conditions is seldom (if ever) a problem in group plans.
Over the age of 75! What the heck is that? In the cruel USA. The only age issue that I have known is that many organ transplants have an upper age limit.
Out of pocket. Yup, that can hurt. But the up side in many cases is that you know its it's coming. If a person can make a payment on a car. He should be able to work a savings plan into the budget. Not to say that its easy but it is something that you do have some control over.
Best I can say is good luck.

[defiant]

@Gt1956 and SteveSW: I agree with your philosophy but I suppose you're assuming there's always an insurance or a government sponsored program that can pay or at least copay for your implant and revision. This is not always the case.

There are lots of countries where:
- PRIVATE INSURANCES DO NOT COVER ED TREATMENTS AS A RULE.
- PRIVATE INSURANCES DO NOT PAY FOR PREEXISTING CONDITION
Often this is more the rule than the exception. Believe it or not but in Italy private insurers don't cover people older than 75 for any health issue as a commerci
Rn2veal rule. Discrimination by age is preatty common around the world. So basically there are few options:
- Government / State Healthcare, with its queues and limited choice
- Eventually, additional health coverage provided by the employer, which often is a benefit of collective bargaining.
- PAYING OUT OF POCKET

So if you have to pay out of pocket any time, doing the math about durability is important. Budget constraints require painful choices. It's important to figure out proper expectations.

That's why I'd like to read more 10+ stories.

I fully understand every word that you have said. Living in what many people consider an uncaring or brutal country for healthcare. I've nearly always found a way around the obstacle.
Preexisting conditions. I have been covered by what here is considered a "group plan" since I was 17. Preexisting conditions is seldom (if ever) a problem in group plans.
Over the age of 75! What the heck is that? In the cruel USA. The only age issue that I have known is that many organ transplants have an upper age limit.
Out of pocket. Yup, that can hurt. But the up side in many cases is that you know its it's coming. If a person can make a payment on a car. He should be able to work a savings plan into the budget. Not to say that its easy but it is something that you do have some control over.
Best I can say is good luck.

Definitely share your concerns on having to pay out of pocket. I’d have to do the same.

I found this journal/paper on long term follow up.

Nearly half, I believe, still functioning at year 20 which I find crazy but hey.

Relatively small study group and no Coloplast patients.

But still…

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31501062/

[Fourtytwo00]

I'm happy to hear that some people use it after 20y but at the same time a "low response rate telephone interviews" survey has very few value. It's more useful a website like Frank Talk than a poorly designed medical survey.

I think that from a sexual point of view it's more rational to place more value to my mid 40s and 50s than worrying about my 70s or 80s. And I may even think that technology will improve also malleable implants making them an "acceptable downgrade".
Having said that while I can afford right now someone like Eid, it could be a problem needing revisions before 7-8 years. It's not just the cost of implant. If you have a family you know that you can't take a plane pay 35k for your penis then going back home and starting being cheap on restaurant, holidays, education of your children because honey may be I'll need it again sooner than expected.

That's why I hope / I'd like to hear more people who got their implants before let's say 2014.

Just another question, does a revision for pump failure cost less than a whole change or all revisions cost the same?

[Gt1956]

I'm happy to hear that some people use it after 20y but at the same time a "low response rate telephone interviews" survey has very few value. It's more useful a website like Frank Talk than a poorly designed medical survey.
I think that from a sexual point of view it's more rational to place more value to my mid 40s and 50s than worrying about my 70s or 80s. And I may even think that technology will improve also malleable implants making them an "acceptable downgrade".
Having said that while I can afford right now someone like Eid, it could be a problem needing revisions before 7-8 years. It's not just the cost of implant. If you have a family you know that you can't take a plane pay 35k for your penis then going back home and starting being cheap on restaurant, holidays, education of your children because honey may be I'll need it again sooner than expected.
That's why I hope / I'd like to hear more people who got their implants before let's say 2014.
Just another question, does a revision for pump failure cost less than a whole change or all revisions cost the same?

As for the low responce rate. Even finding an implant patient after 20 years can be hard the USA. At one point in my life, I had moved 3 times in 20 years & had 3 different phone numbers. Also, remember that there is a lot of perfectly functionable implants in cemeteries. I know my father in law took his very early model semi ridgid (I think) to his grave.
I don't think anybody advocates making their family suffer because dad needed an implant. Out of curiosity. How are women paying for breast implants in your country? True, they are cheaper but not free.
As for your $35k cost estimate. Hard to move that figure around a long ways. Several good quality USA surgeons are around $20-25k. But a lot depends on traveling on the cheap. Lodging can be almost any price. Travel once your here is an issue. For me in Europe, speaking another language is a problem. How is your spoken English? I don't like using the word English because Americans use a slightly different version of it. Btw, I have a cousin that married an English woman. I have a hard time with her accent.
No idea on the cost for a pump replacement. I think that the surgery rooms charge by the minute so a pump replacement should be cheaper on that cost. Sugeon fee should be a bit lower. The pump might be free. It would be nice to hear what a pump replacement truly costs here.

[TANGERINE]

I am sensitive to the fact that the 28,000 out of pocket expense can be daunting and a real obstacle for young people.

In the past , I have stated: "what would you rather have, a wonderfully working new dick, or a new toyota?"

At other times, I have also stated that the implant costs about as much as a used sports car. In turn, 10 years down the line it will be clearly obvious to you if you want to re-up and buy a replacement sports car; and similarly, 10 years from now, it will be obvious to you whether or not to re-up and get a new implant. If you are penniless and with no girlfriends, then no implant. If your still totally into sex, then you likely will sell the car you have, ride a low end motor cycle, and enjoy the ride.

(This is all covered in chapter 38 of my implant information pamphlet here on franktalk)

Oh and by the way, none of us know how long we are going to live -- life is fragile and unpredictabe; so when you make your calculations, do not assume that you will absolutely outlive your implant every ten years.

[artful todger]

My main hobby is drumming and i practice with my band 3 hours a week and at home for a couple of hours a week, plus one or 2 gigs a month. I'm getting implanted in london on the 11th of feb. (A) do you think bouncing around on a drum stool doing double peddle will shorten the life of an implant. (b) i'm supposed to be doing a recording 2 weeks after the surgery, i suppose i should cancel this?

I've sat on my drumstool and monitored how much my scrotum bounces around and i'd say it's not as much as cycling and definitely not as much as a hit workout, but on a hit workout it's just bouncing around and not meeting the resistance of the stool.