Cost prohibitive

[ElbowRoom]

What would give me pause about going overseas is not necessarily the quality of the procedure...but the consequences of the aftermath.

For example, if you have some major surgical complication, now you're stuck thousands of miles away from home, in a foreign country where you might not speak the language and you're at the mercy of the general healthcare system of that country.

Also, what happens if you need support from the surgeon six months later because of a problem? A Zoom call will only get you so far, you might have to either travel again to see him or get somebody locally to do additional work anyway. Make sure you factor travel and accommodations costs into your analysis.

Just as an aside, I'll tell a story. A good friend of mine was in Turkey for his honeymoon and he and his wife were in a *bad* car crash. His pelvis was smashed and one leg shattered. He was stuck in a Turkish hospital for weeks while he recovered from extensive reconstructive surgery. Finally he checked himself out against medical advice, and hopped a flight back to the USA even though he could barely walk.

Once in the USA some orthopedic surgeons looked at his x-rays and decided all of the work was wrong and had to be redone or he'd never walk right. So he had to go through *another* round of surgeries, and his recovery took a couple of years. Now 5+ years later he gets around okay and sometimes uses a cane.

This isn't an exact analogy to your situation...just pointing out that when foreign surgeries work out they save a lot of money and are great. When they go sideways, they can go *really* fucking sideways.

Just know what you're getting into.

[ragingbull]

Even Dr. Eid, one of the most experienced implant surgeons in the US has had patients suffer severe infections. I won’t name names, but even so-called big five US surgeons have had cases that resulted in a sepsis or full penectomy. What we can control is choosing a high volume, specialized team that focuses exclusively on these implants. Beyond that, it’s largely a matter of luck.

[ElbowRoom]

Even Dr. Eid has had patients suffer severe infections.

I won’t name names, but one of the so called top 4 implant surgeons in the US had a case that ended in a full penectomy.

I'm aware of that case. The surgeon claims it was caused by a patient blatantly not following post-op instructions. But a settlement was reached so we'll never know the truth of it.

Yes, infections happen. And they can happen anytime really, not just during healing. Take a look at the "Biofilms and Infection" topic I just posted. In the discussion of travel though, if I had to have a severe infection, I'd want it to happen wherever I could get the best possible care.

I'm not saying that is in the USA, but I will say I understand the US healthcare system and its limitations far better than I do those of other countries. And with no language barriers.

[tooyoung]

Even Dr. Eid has had patients suffer severe infections.

I won’t name names, but one of the so called top 4 implant surgeons in the US had a case that ended in a full penectomy.

Thank you for this...i was too lazy to reply...maybe too depressed...however, i want to add also...with each of the big names and I mean each...I've read atleast 1 horrible story...and I firmly believe that's the nature of the surgery rather than their competency...so when going for surgeon shopping...triple or quadraple the price between 2 centers of excellence isn't always justified.

[tooyoung]

Even Dr. Eid has had patients suffer severe infections.

I won’t name names, but one of the so called top 4 implant surgeons in the US had a case that ended in a full penectomy.

I'm aware of that case. The surgeon claims it was caused by a patient blatantly not following post-op instructions. But a settlement was reached so we'll never know the truth of it.

Yes, infections happen. And they can happen anytime really, not just during healing. Take a look at the "Biofilms and Infection" topic I just posted. In the discussion of travel though, if I had to have a severe infection, I'd want it to happen wherever I could get the best possible care.

I'm not saying that is in the USA, but I will say I understand the US healthcare system and its limitations far better than I do those of other countries. And with no language barriers.

U.S healthcare system is tip top in terms of emergencies,referals and expertise (though little bit boasted)....but not necessarily in this specific surgery...also u can travel back in a matter of a day or a couple and followup both online with your foreign doctor and your local one...actually the same experience happens with having the surgery done locally...usually it's travelling too...either by a plane or very long rides....i don't think americans usually reside near the 7 or 8 names usually mentioned....regarding language barrier...having an online consultation and assesing that won't harm.

[tooyoung]

Even Dr. Eid, one of the most experienced implant surgeons in the US has had patients suffer severe infections. I won’t name names, but even so-called big five US surgeons have had cases that resulted in a sepsis or full penectomy. What we can control is choosing a high volume, specialized team that focuses exclusively on these implants. Beyond that, it’s largely a matter of luck.

Concise and to the point...thanks alot for that.

[ElbowRoom]

Even Dr. Eid has had patients suffer severe infections.

I won’t name names, but one of the so called top 4 implant surgeons in the US had a case that ended in a full penectomy.

I'm aware of that case. The surgeon claims it was caused by a patient blatantly not following post-op instructions. But a settlement was reached so we'll never know the truth of it.

Yes, infections happen. And they can happen anytime really, not just during healing. Take a look at the "Biofilms and Infection" topic I just posted. In the discussion of travel though, if I had to have a severe infection, I'd want it to happen wherever I could get the best possible care.

I'm not saying that is in the USA, but I will say I understand the US healthcare system and its limitations far better than I do those of other countries. And with no language barriers.

U.S healthcare system is tip top in terms of emergencies,referals and expertise (though little bit boasted)....but not necessarily in this specific surgery...also u can travel back in a matter of a day or a couple and followup both online with your foreign doctor and your local one...actually the same experience happens with having the surgery done locally...usually it's travelling too...either by a plane or very long rides....i don't think americans usually reside near the 7 or 8 names usually mentioned....regarding language barrier...having an online consultation and assesing that won't harm.

I happen to live close to my surgeon, but you're right that's not usually the case. But I will submit that there's a difference between 2-3 hrs of domestic flying and 6-12hrs of international travel, especially to a country where you don't speak the language, where you might me dealing with significant pain, fever, or other symptoms of a complication.

But that's just my calculus, everybody should make their own analysis.

[olddoggy]

Has anyone had an implant done by Dr Rosenstein at Kaiser in San Jose Califotnia

[ready2go]

On this very forum, found these:

Horror stories from high-volume implantologists in India? I doubt that. I don't think a price difference necessarily means lower quality of care or skill.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=20531&p=189836&hilit=india+infection#p189836

"Not too sure about getting it done in India and the doctor mentioned Sabharwal in Delhi is a butcher by all accounts.
My cousin who lives in the UK was implanted by him three or four years ago and this was his story if i can remember all.
1/ The 'Hotel' recommended by Sabharwal was walking distance to his clinic, was filthy, noisy and didn't even have a dining room all for U.S$80/night ( Breakfast was Jam and Bread with revolting coffee served in the room )
2/ His practice, equipment, machines and beds ect were not what was on his YouTube posts - it was dirty, and of the 1940's era ( Second world war stuff)
3/ The fresh bed sheets and surgery gown used on him just before the surgery had what looked like 'grease stains' on them.
4/ After surgery Sabharwal was not to be seen for two days and my cousin was left in the hands of women nurses who didn't want to go anywhere near his dick ( For cultural reasons i guess) after informing them that he was losing too much blood at the cut - they did not even inspect but gave him the dressings to change by himself.
5/ He had an infection due to the poor hygene standards.
6/ He demanded that they call Sabharwal urgently to address the issue and he eventually came on the forth day when my cousin was checking out.
7/ Half an hour before catching the taxi to the airport Sabharwal arrives to reashure him that it will all be ok and gave him a script for quite a few drugs which he had to buy at the chemist within his practice.
8/ When asked about after care Sabharwal said ' look on the internet' - what sort of surgeon does that?
9/ My cousin got back to the UK and had to go straight into hospital to remove the implant and address the infection
that he had ( It was so bad that they placed him in a highly infectious desease isolation room for two weeks)

I would think twice about going to India. The medical systems and filth are just not up to scratch and not worth the risk in. ( Sabharwal's YouTube posts look great but beware he is a butcher who claims to have studied in the U.S"

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10527&p=87947&hilit=india+infection#p87947

"I had a AMS 700 fitted in India. It got a serious bacterial infection and had to be removed in Thailand. Now five weeks on, the surgery has healed but I have no natural erection feelings. Is there any operation or procedure, to get back feelings at all? I have heard the procedure is irreversible other than fitting another implant, but I would just prefer my natural feelings back. Thanks."

now do usa ;after 4 Titan IPP failures within 4 years I finally wised up and went to the Malleable Genesis 23cm- 13mm .

Dr. Loh Doyle told me he didn't want to replace everything because it all worked perfectly. Also 10 years ago when he first implanted me I got a bad infection. He had to go back in and flush everything out and I was on antibiotics for a long time

over 1000 posts on infections in usa its not unicorn magic land in usa . i had dr sabharwal in india for my malleable and had no issues, in fact, post op he wanted me to come back for a follow-up . But all was good, so i hopped on a plane home .