FRANKTALK POLL / MALFUNCTION RATE 3 piece/ How long lasted your Implant AMS vs. Coloplast

[newbie443]

I found another study to add to the one I posted above. This one is dated 2017 and used 14,969 men with penile implants from 1995 to 2014.

Page 224 top left.

https://www.garber-online.com/pdf/Highe ... ctions.pdf

Mechanical failure rates
are reported in the same studies at 4% to 10% at 5
years5,6 and 10.3% to 24.0% at 10 years.7,9,10

This study was to note when or not there were differences in reoperation rates in relationship with surgeon volume.

So again I ask what is rational to use in deciding about this surgery, this poll or documented studies like the one above and others using thousands of men.

Do your research and ask questions. It is easy to let fear and other emotions we have with this convince us that possibility is probability. There are no guaranties with much in life but your odds are pretty good with this surgery if you have a really good doctor.

Best of luck to you all.

[ScrewedbyDoctors]

newbie, these polls are important. I do not trust polls done by the Doctors or manufacturers because they always lie in order to make more money, the medical system is corrupt and always hide the truth, I myself got screwed by Doctors who denied what they did to me, now I have permanent injuries.
How is possible that every single Doctor office always say that the average life of an implant is between 10 and 20 years!!!!!!!! I just want to know the TRUTH, that the life of an implant is between 0 and 10 years!!!!!!!

[Dave52]

4 years titan Dr. Eid

[516430203]

4 years titan Dr. Eid

May i ask how often did you use your implant duiring four years?

[frank66665]

I hope you are right in the duration of the newbie443 implant but in 14 years of DE the doctors have only stripped me of the flesh, deluding me that a solution would be found, it was never found, they made me stuffed with drugs and exams of all kinds, money for visits and counter visits, i went to the testosterone doer and he says he is against the prosthesis and he prescribed me testosterone and a lot of other stuff, I go to the prosthetician and he says the only solution is the prosthesis, how can I get trust of these businessmen who have only the good of their wallets, this is the reason for my perplexity and confusion, do I have the right to doubt that there are things that do not add up? could someone here explain to me why in Italy the warranty of the ams device is 5 years if they believe that the device has an average life of 10 and up ?, why does coloplast give a 10-year warranty? in case of revision after 5 months do we have to pay for the operation? doesn't it seem a contradiction to you? if the device is deemed to work according to "studies" from 10 upwards, why don't they give the full guarantee? understanding the operation? there was a well-known statesman in Italy who died a few years ago, his name was Andreotti Giulio, he was famous for his subtle jokes, one day he said this joke, thinking badly makes you sin but often you guess, here I think that the doctors refused to give a guarantee for the operation because they think that breakdowns are commonplace and most of the implants do not last 10 years, so at this point the companies told the doctors you support the promotion and duration of the implants from 10 upwards so if the piece breaks down we will put it (company) but the procedure will pay you back (you doctors) and you will have everything to gain too, I think everything has been done at the table, when there are too many money at stake is not to be scandalized if these things happen, they are making the malleable system obsolete. the 3-piece is the new generation, if the new generation is this we are in very bad shape, then surely I will finish that soon I will do it too, but this is another matter, this prosthesis does not convince me in many aspects and conditions even more, the implants who are outside have no voice and I believe that it does not differ much from what happens on FT

[Floridaspeedo]

I'm in the same headspace.

I want an implant, but then I read this site and even the guys who are happy with theirs have revisions every few years. In their signatures there are plenty of guys who list 3+ surgeries.

A terrifying amount seem to have failures within the first couple years or even months.

And terrifyingly few reports of "I got it installed and it worked flawessly for 10 years."

Not sure how the devices are supposed to last an average of 10 years when I haven't seen a single report of one lasting that long.

I dont trust the company's own stats about their device. They have every reason to lie. Just like the hairloss drug that I took said it only caused impotence in 1% of users, when in reality its much higher. Corporations lie to make more money.

Yes there are not a lot of people have said oh I've had my implant for four or five plus years. But I think we also have to remember that usually people that belong to the board are either trying to be helpful, get information or they've had issues.

I suspect they're probably many many guys that have had their implant for many years that are just not on FT cuz they moved on with their life and are implant is just become a part of them.

[ScrewedbyDoctors]

Floridaspeedo, my girlfriend is a nurse for over 25 years, she told me that had numerous men with implants removed, she told not to have an implant installed no matter what, and by the way, Dr Trost only recommends an implant for men over 65 years old due to revisions in the future and how infection rate increase exponentially for every revision, implants are a good option later in life due to the live span of them

[Fourtytwo00]

I found another study to add to the one I posted above. This one is dated 2017 and used 14,969 men with penile implants from 1995 to 2014.

Page 224 top left.

https://www.garber-online.com/pdf/Highe ... ctions.pdf

Mechanical failure rates
are reported in the same studies at 4% to 10% at 5
years5,6 and 10.3% to 24.0% at 10 years.7,9,10

This study was to note when or not there were differences in reoperation rates in relationship with surgeon volume.

So again I ask what is rational to use in deciding about this surgery, this poll or documented studies like the one above and others using thousands of men.

Do your research and ask questions. It is easy to let fear and other emotions we have with this convince us that possibility is probability. There are no guaranties with much in life but your odds are pretty good with this surgery if you have a really good doctor.

Best of luck to you all.

Most quoted studies are statistically weak. And it's known:

See https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32273243/

"A Quality Analysis of the Last Decade's Most Heavily Cited Data Relative to Outcomes After Penile Prosthesis Placement

Conclusion: While many studies have examined penile prosthesis outcomes, most of the heavily cited literature consists of low-level evidence. Higher quality research is necessary to better assess penile prosthesis outcomes".

So you may do a lot of "researches" (aka googling) but there are just low evidence available.

Skewed or not FT is the biggest online community where people self report their experiences.

[frank66665]

I found another study to add to the one I posted above. This one is dated 2017 and used 14,969 men with penile implants from 1995 to 2014.

Page 224 top left.

https://www.garber-online.com/pdf/Highe ... ctions.pdf

Mechanical failure rates
are reported in the same studies at 4% to 10% at 5
years5,6 and 10.3% to 24.0% at 10 years.7,9,10

This study was to note when or not there were differences in reoperation rates in relationship with surgeon volume.

So again I ask what is rational to use in deciding about this surgery, this poll or documented studies like the one above and others using thousands of men.

Do your research and ask questions. It is easy to let fear and other emotions we have with this convince us that possibility is probability. There are no guaranties with much in life but your odds are pretty good with this surgery if you have a really good doctor.

Best of luck to you all.

Most quoted studies are statistically weak. And it's known:

See https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32273243/

"A Quality Analysis of the Last Decade's Most Heavily Cited Data Relative to Outcomes After Penile Prosthesis Placement

Conclusion: While many studies have examined penile prosthesis outcomes, most of the heavily cited literature consists of low-level evidence. Higher quality research is necessary to better assess penile prosthesis outcomes".

So you may do a lot of "researches" (aka googling) but there are just low evidence available.

Skewed or not FT is the biggest online community where people self report their experiences.

I believe that what happens on FT is also reflected outside, people arrive on FT before the implant, during the implant and after the implant, not necessarily because they have problems or have had problems

[newbie443]

I believe that what happens on FT is also reflected outside, people arrive on FT before the implant, during the implant and after the implant, not necessarily because they have problems or have had problems

Most quoted studies are statistically weak. And it's known:

See https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32273243/

"A Quality Analysis of the Last Decade's Most Heavily Cited Data Relative to Outcomes After Penile Prosthesis Placement

Conclusion: While many studies have examined penile prosthesis outcomes, most of the heavily cited literature consists of low-level evidence. Higher quality research is necessary to better assess penile prosthesis outcomes".

So you may do a lot of "researches" (aka googling) but there are just low evidence available.

Skewed or not FT is the biggest online community where people self report their experiences.

So in these studies they took men who had been implanted 20 years ago. After all you cannot say an implant will last an average of 10 years if you only look at men with implants 10 years ago. If you did there would be a number of men at 10 years post implant surgery who still have working devices. So the information would not be accurate. Or as posted above have a low level of evidence. And the average due to this would be low. There are men who have had working devices even past 20 years. So if you look at this poll and ask the questions that were ask when looking at the studies referenced above you would find just how much worse the information is in this poll than those studies.

I found this document on line. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32055463/ According to it 15 years ago in 2007 there were 10879 devices implanted. To study and determine an average of how long an implant last you would need to contact the men who received each of those. If any of those men still had a working device the study would have low level evidence and another group should be used. Actually even if no men had working devices this is just an average for that year and more years prior to this should be used. As implant quality may be increasing or decreasing in certain years.

As this poll question was about device failure you need to exclude any case where the man died or had a device removed for reasons other than device failure. Infection, perforation, incorrect sizing, ect. Device failure rates by doctors and manufactures are what was being questioned. You could continue to work closer to current day with 10 year or even 5 year but that would not be useful for average life span of a device. It could be compared to the 15 and 20 or even 25 year numbers to see if in years 1-5 failure rates are increasing or decreasing.

FT is a good source of these documents and there are many of them in the Documents Worth Reading Thread in the General Discussion section of this forum. There have been in the past some studies published with a very low number of men that were in the study. These have been questioned by many on this site. That is what we do. We help others question and understand what may be good information or what might not. We try to make so you can trust the information. A big part of that is pointing out bad information.

This poll does not require the men to have had a device for longer than the published average life span of the IPP. It has no verification of the reason for the device replacement or even verification that a device has even been replaced or failed. You can have poll replies of men who are 2 years post implant with working devices counted as a device failure. The biggest problem is that it is a poll on FT and has a limited and very small number of men to draw from.

As I have stated before some men are in a bad place mentally with ED. This can lead to irrational thinking. That is part of why some of are here. To help out if we can and repay the help we received. It is one thing to believe this irrational information. It is a much different thing all together to promote it to members that are also having a difficult time with ED. To say that this poll is more accurate than the published studies on device longevity is irrational. I am not saying you should not question those other studies. I encourage you to do so.

Best of luck to you.