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When I was considering an IPP I was very concerned about size. Concerned: Hell I was obsessed with size. It has been 2.5 years since I was implanted. My wife and I have had time and considerable usage of the implant. I feel in a much better position to convey our experience and reflections.

I was a grower not a shower. I was concerned how I looked when naked. I am average or slightly below 5.5"

I was inspired to write this after reading some heart wrenching posts from young men with new implants so concerned with loss of size. My heart aches for them. I know all to well their pain.

I know that often logic, data and facts cannot eliminate these very real concerns: I will offer some facts in the hope they may help.

Fact: the average vagina is 5 inches
Fact: women climax less that 1/3 as much as men: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... men-082114, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu4MbmDPwNQ
Fact: Men ( even with big working dicks) must suck at pleasing women
Fact: most women climax with their clitoris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu4MbmDPwNQ
Fact: My ED was so bad all I could do to consistently pleasure my wife was cunnilingus. Now with a wonderfully working bionic penis she asks for oral sex about 50 percent of the time.. Go figure
Fact: the ancient Greeks thought men with large genitals were hedonistic morons. Our culture may be responsible for our simplistic focus on size or maybe we have become hedonistic morons
Fact: Casanova had a 3 inch dick.... no sorry I made that up

I hope more men will jump in with their experience, pre and post implant on whether size was or should be such a big concern

Gene308

Too many young guys base their manhood on what they see in porn rather than what a girlfriend has told them.
The answer is more practical experience with a steady partner & less watching porn.

gene308 wrote:Fact: Casanova had a 3 inch dick.... no sorry I made that up

But a 7 inch tongue.

I was at a zoo once with a couple of friends (we had a pass near the end of our Basic Training and the entertainment choices were slim). We had been in the exclusive company of men for several weeks.

We saw an antelope and observed the length of its tongue (appeared to be about 12" and VERY thick, articulate and strong) and one of the guys made the observation that he would trade his soul for a tongue that long and flexible. I replied that the Devil would probably make that bargain, but he would probably also make it hate the taste of pussy.

Decades of ED left me with a HUGE debt of orgasms to the women I have known. I always could orgasm, even limp, but they were almost always left high and dry (or more accurately high and wet and unsatisfied) until I learned cunnilingus. Now, however, my implanted dick can be the tool for her orgasms and I am diligently working on balancing out that debt. My girlfriend is the proxy for those women (now absent from my life) happily collecting on that debt. Still, most of our coital activities are preceded by orally preparing her. Getting her wet with a few orgasms delivered by my tongue makes entry a lot easier on her and having prepared her vagina in that way, copulatory orgasms come much easier and sooner.

Getting back to the size question: She likes me deep in her, but has plenty orgasms with my glans and corona at her vaginal entrance as well.

Also note that some sexual positions can make a woman FEEL more deeply penetrated. And that's the primary goal of size, right? Of course, there is the bragging rights in the locker room or getting her to gasp at the sight of you, but for me, those are of secondary importance.

I think things are more complicated now simply because of the "transactional" sex that defines American society today. The last study I read stated that twenty something females now average double digit sex partners. If you started dating a woman in her mid to late twenties today it's highly likely she's already been plowed by a coupe of well hung alpha males. It goes without saying that an average size beta male might feel insecure despite reassurances from her that she really enjoys sex with him.
That being said I've talked to several women over the years and found each one to be quite different. Some love guys with large equipment while others state that longer penises beat up their cervix and can be painful.

Vaginas are only so long, the range of 3-7 inches, so dicks longer then that have no place to go.
I bet any woman would want a 5 inch hard penis over an 8 inch flaccid one any day.
Usually any other hard penis we see is in porn and that ISN"T the norm, but all we typically see.

The question "are we too focused on size" rings like a genius deadpan joke in this forum. It's not even a question. It's beyond obvious we are too focused on it. I'm telling you, and I say this with compassionate humor, though it will sound harsh, that with just a little space and perspective, when you look around at this place you feel like you're in a nuthouse.

Post after post after post about will I lose size I think I lost size I used to be this long I used to have his much girth, now I'm a quarter inch less this, an inch less that, I'm wider narrower skinnier flatter fatter, I think I gained girth, I think I lost girth, how long do I need to cycle to get it back, how long do you cycle, what cycling protocol do I need to get back this inch.

Meanwhile, life is passing us all by, no one in the outside world cares even a teeny tiny bit about the size of our dicks, whether or not they get hard, whether or not we even have them at all.

Is there a single man, either one you know personally, or a man you can think of in history, that you admire, who you'd lose all respect and admiration for if you learned he had a small dick, or that his dick didn't work, or that he used to have a big dick but now he has an average one or small one? It's pure madness.

Another thing: women don't give a shit either. I know some of them like to put on a show and say this or that, play into the obsession, and they might even have a preference for a certain size, but no woman will love you or not love you because of it. It's just not that important. Sex isn't that important. Guys, I have fucked women with my bionic dick and put my heart and soul into and given them what I thought was the absolute time of their lives. And maybe they did really have a great time. Still doesn't matter. They make decisions and stay with men or leave them based on other things.

The most confounding aspect of all is how men here talk about what supposed size they bring into the surgery, as if they could still get hard enough reliably often enough to have satisfying sex, but then for some reason decided to get an implant for a change of pace I guess, and then they're flabbergasted when they wake up in the recovery room and what they're looking down at isn't their last ditch, hail mary pre implant erection, which they achieved after chugging a bottle of viagra and being in a vacuum device for an hour and injecting themselves with enough trimix to get an old horse rock hard. Then, with the fifteen seconds of semi-tumescence alloted to them, they fumbled with a tape measurer and a camera to record their "pre surgery erection size" so they feel justified in creating multiple threads and posts and contemplating more surgery and settling into marathon surgery video viewing sessions and feeding the obsession.

I really mean this: I want better for men, I don't want men to live like this. It's not worth it. We're going to have to invest in things of higher value than this. We're not going to get that time and energy back.

C_Lab34
What a great post!!!

C_lab34...
If you want your postings about implants to have any credibility, please add a signature. Do you have an implant? (Details) Are you considering an implant? Or are you merely COVID fatigued and trolling this site out of boredom?

barrylandon wrote:C_lab34...
If you want your postings about implants to have any credibility, please add a signature. Do you have an implant? (Details) Are you considering an implant? Or are you merely COVID fatigued and trolling this site out of boredom?

Cold, dude, really cold. A simple search of c_lab34's posts, and grabbing the first one I found, shows he's got an implant...

https://www.franktalk.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16110&p=144542#p144542

So I have a bit different point of view on this. Anyone who has posted or read this thread I have this question. How many wanted or asked to have a shorter smaller dick than they were born with?

All implant doctors are aware of the problem of size loss and all the local ones I have talked to seem to change the subject saying they do not do penis enlargement when ask about size LOSS. All these local doctors seem to take for granted that size after surgery will be at least 1" shorter and do nothing to retain pre op size. Now some men have doctors that are concerned about this and some patients do retain the size post op as pre op.

This is about doctors short changing many men. And the nut house I see is the acceptance of this not only by doctors but by some of the men victims of this.

So to answer the title question and in view of the replies I would say we are not near enough focused on MAINTAING our natural size.