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Hey guys, I got curious so I emailed Dr Eid asking him about the new electronic implant under development, and he gave me some interesting information.

So apparently (as per Dr Eid) the electronic Implant is still atleast 6-8 years (conservative estimate) away from reaching market. Also, it will mostly be marketed towards older men who have dexterity issues in their hands. The interesting part I will quote directly from his email to me:

"The disadvantage of the eIPP will be that you will have a very visible 4 by 3 inch battery pack superficially underneath the skin which will be visible and palpable on the lower abdominal wall below the belt line. It has to be superficial because it will need to be recharged every 5 to 8 erections and you will need your phone to activate the pump and get an erection."

So it seems like there will be a large and palpable battery.

He also told me that there shouldn't be any difference in rigidity between the electric implant and the currently available implants. According to him the gold standard will continue to be the current implants, because they have better concealability and there is no need to recharge, and it is easily activated, and the current devices have been around since 1973, so they're very reliable now.


Hope you all find this information interesting and relevant.

Thanks for the info. I feel like an eIPP would be beneficial for men with spinal cord injuries like myself where the paralysis affects our hands and dexterity. I don't like the idea of a palpable battery though. Maybe the battery tech will improve and in 10 years it will be smaller.

Hey Edditor, see if he knows what's going on with the magnetic induction / heat activated implant. It was successfully tested in a cadaver about three years ago. There are even pictures of that. Here's an article from 2019 about it.

Use of Magnetic Induction to Activate a "Touchless" Shape Memory Alloy Implantable Penile Prosthesis
Brian V Le 1, Kevin T McVary 2, Kevin McKenna 3, Alberto Colombo 4
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PMID: 30935471 DOI: 10.1016/j.jsxm.2019.01.318
Abstract
Introduction: We describe a novel physiologic penile prosthesis that uses shape memory alloy properties to mimic the transition between a flaccid and erect penis using magnetic induction instead of hydraulic pressure.

Aim: To evaluate the parameters of magnetic induction to activate a shape memory alloy implantable penile prosthesis.

Methods: We prototyped an implantable penile prosthesis cylinder using temperature-tuned nickel titanium alloy tubes laser cut to specifications. The device was then tested implanted in an animal tissue model and in cadaveric tissue. Testing consisted of placing the device deactivated in its more malleable and compressed state, then activating it using an external inducer wand while measuring temperature changes that occur on the surface of the device, within the tissue, and at the skin surface.

Main outcome measures: Our main outcome measures were the efficiency of activation and thermal safety of this approach.

Results: Using a handheld magnetic inductor, we were able to successfully activate the SMA penile prosthesis with no direct contact under 45 seconds. This handheld wand produced a magnetic field that penetrated tissue and caused the appropriate phase change within the prosthesis. Tissue temperature (middle and surface probes) in the animal tissue model increased only a few degrees Celsius during the activation process, and never exceeded 28 degrees Celsius from a baseline at room temperature ∼ 25 degrees Celsius. We encountered similar results without a notable change in tissue temperature in the cadaveric tests. The fully activated device resisted buckling forces of 2.66 kgf ± 0.045.

Clinical implications: This non-hydraulic shape memory prosthesis obviates the needs for reservoirs and pumps, and the wand-based interaction with the device may be easier to use.

Strength & limitations: This technology represents a fundamental departure from the hydraulic-based penile prosthesis and has comparable mechanical properties as current-marked devices. It appears to show thermal safety in controlled environments, however real-world use would need further studies. Further optimization of prototypes needs to be done prior to human clinical trials.

Conclusion: A shape memory penile prosthesis is a promising alternative to hydraulic-based penile prostheses and can be activated safely and efficiently using magnetic induction in our models of the human penis. Le BV, McVary KT, McKenna K, et al. Use of Magnetic Induction to Activate a "Touchless" Shape Memory Alloy Implantable Penile Prosthesis. J Sex Med 2019;16:596-601.

Keywords: Biomaterials; Erectile Dysfunction; Nickel-Titanium; Penile Prosthesis; Prosthetics; Shape Memory Alloys.

Copyright © 2019 International Society for Sexual Medicine. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. n article from 2019.

Can you pm me dr eid's email? I'd like to seek a consultation

impotentredditor wrote:Hey guys, I got curious so I emailed Dr Eid asking him about the new electronic implant under development, and he gave me some interesting information.

So apparently (as per Dr Eid) the electronic Implant is still atleast 6-8 years (conservative estimate) away from reaching market. Also, it will mostly be marketed towards older men who have dexterity issues in their hands. The interesting part I will quote directly from his email to me:

"The disadvantage of the eIPP will be that you will have a very visible 4 by 3 inch battery pack superficially underneath the skin which will be visible and palpable on the lower abdominal wall below the belt line. It has to be superficial because it will need to be recharged every 5 to 8 erections and you will need your phone to activate the pump and get an erection."

So it seems like there will be a large and palpable battery.

He also told me that there shouldn't be any difference in rigidity between the electric implant and the currently available implants. According to him the gold standard will continue to be the current implants, because they have better concealability and there is no need to recharge, and it is easily activated, and the current devices have been around since 1973, so they're very reliable now.


Hope you all find this information interesting and relevant.

That’s awesome!
Just a few things:
1. It’d be awesome if the batteries could be put somewhere else. Maybe deep in your abdomen with just a small wireless connector in your scrotum(?)
2. I see that some pacemakers will auto-recharge by using the heartbeat. The same could be done with the batteries of the implant.. maybe using physical activity.

Maybe I didn't think this through carefully enough.
But...
I don't really see how any of these two high-tech versions would be better than what we have today.
The wand seems like a total joke to me. Unless of course one has issues with his hands and simply cannot pump, but I am referring to those who would have all options available.
Many, including myself, would say that one of the main downsides of the implant is the need to pump to get an erection. For those who don't give a shit about hiding it from whoever they are going to have sex with, it is still 60 annoying seconds you'd rather do without. For those not wanting to show, it's an awkward situation which requires you to try to do it in advance, while giving oral, etc.
But a wand? How would that in any way be any better? So a single guy needs to take his fucking wand with him to the night club in case he gets lucky. If he doesn't carry his magical wand, he can't have sex??? That must be the worst idea ever vs a pump in your scrotum. Reminds me of the old days where I always had to stop and think every time I left the house "Hey man, any chance you will have sex"? "Yes" "Ok, bring your gear then. Pills, cock ring, etc." Only this time I need to bring a wand?!?!?!
So much better, such freedom with the good old manual implant. Always ready, always equipped. Sex always no more than 60 seconds of pumping away. No gear needed.

The electronic thing. As I understood it, it is activated by your phone. Same thing. So you left your phone somewhere? No sex. Out of battery? No sex. Gonna have sex tonight perhaps? Remember to bring your charger then. And we all know that all those nice apps with all their functionality will not be 100% reliable.
Plus the charging thing.

Nah, I think I am totally on Eid's side of this. Unless you have issues which make it difficult for you to use a manual pump, stick with the current model. Reliability and no gear, power, cords, chargers, wands, WiFi networks, etc needed. Sex always 60 seconds away, anywhere, anytime.

confused95 wrote:That’s awesome!
Just a few things:
1. It’d be awesome if the batteries could be put somewhere else. Maybe deep in your abdomen with just a small wireless connector in your scrotum(?)
2. I see that some pacemakers will auto-recharge by using the heartbeat. The same could be done with the batteries of the implant.. maybe using physical activity.

Hey man, the auto-recharge things sounds intriguing but it will only push the cost up I think. And I'm not sure how much auto recharge you can get off movement. But who knows, maybe they'll add that feature later. Anyway, even the current device ID nearly a decade away before it reaches commercial markets. And then they'd have to wait for a few years to see its longevity with respect to malfunction and battery usage etc. This is all unfortunately well into the future

Actual implants are good enough, thanks God

The company was looking at something the size of a deck of cards that hold battery and pump. I think it was no more pumps or tubes to scrotum. Just pump battery case. Charging was wireless probably while you sleep.

Last thing I want is some Russian cyber criminal hacking my dick. I'll stick with a slightly annoying pump in my sack.