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Hello Franksters, been using Trimix then Bimix after two years, with breaks of a month or so here and there, usually 1-2 week.

I miss the ED pills. Don't get me wrong, but the injections get you rock hard (albeit, I notice a few inches shorter), and it's guaranteed so you can focus on enjoying sex, but the pain (sometimes I ache for days), the peyronies fear (I have mild), the constant fear of Priapism, and loss of sensitivity (don't come any more during intercourse, girlfriend loves the ride but feels bad if I don't cum, so I fake it. iTired of it.

The pills were barely working. However, maybe the injections kickstarted something because the last time I took the ED pills (I have to do a combo of PT 141, 40mb Cialis, 100mg viagra, and 20mg levitra), had a somewhat decent erection.

Anybody been successful at returning to pills and never turning back?

I’ve experienced something similar. My guess is this is somewhat normal to have ups and downs. For me it was 1 step forwards and 2 steps backwards. So a negative overall. Imo the shots have 0 h therapeutic value and you won’t hear 1 story of someone using them to recover their ability to have a natural erection. The shots have a good chance of giving plaque or in my cast piraprism that lasted for 24 hours. If your using shots you have entered the event horizon.

Imo, this combo of PT 141, 40mb Cialis, 100mg viagra, and 20mg levitra) is too much for your body. Did you get a doctor's prescription for this?
20mg Viagra used to cause me headache and back pain. I can't imagine taking all these together. usually, men start with pills, then injections (most of men skip them), then go for an implant. You may need to talk to your Uro to see if you are a good candidate for it.

Livewire wrote:I miss the ED pills. Don't get me wrong, but the injections get you rock hard (albeit, I notice a few inches shorter), and it's guaranteed so you can focus on enjoying sex

The injections aren't the reason you're a few inches shorter. That's because of atrophy on your dick due to worse erections from years of ED. Use a VED and with enough exercise your injection size can be the same as your VED size.

2435tjklAS wrote:

Livewire wrote:I miss the ED pills. Don't get me wrong, but the injections get you rock hard (albeit, I notice a few inches shorter), and it's guaranteed so you can focus on enjoying sex

The injections aren't the reason you're a few inches shorter. That's because of atrophy on your dick due to worse erections from years of ED. Use a VED and with enough exercise your injection size can be the same as your VED size.

I’m 7’ when I use my pill combo (porn and heavy stroking I can keep erection). Even with ruler and flaccid penis pull 7’1.

With Bimix, I’m 6.5’ or sometimes 6.7’

Others on here have posted the same about being shorter on shots.

FinallyBionic wrote:Imo, this combo of PT 141, 40mb Cialis, 100mg viagra, and 20mg levitra) is too much for your body. Did you get a doctor's prescription for this?
20mg Viagra used to cause me headache and back pain. I can't imagine taking all these together. usually, men start with pills, then injections (most of men skip them), then go for an implant. You may need to talk to your Uro to see if you are a good candidate for it.

I have had to up my pill combo over the years. Doc knows of viagra with cialis, but not the Levitra and PT 141. That gets me an erection that goes down without stroking.

I’ve been debating an implant, but I’m torn as so many here claim to lose at least an inch. My head is already numb, so I don’t know if the implant will make me even worse feelings wise.

I had all day peyronies pain today (slight curve and hourglass, no lost length. I do know that with peyronies and ED, implants make even more sense.

Livewire wrote:

2435tjklAS wrote:

Livewire wrote:I miss the ED pills. Don't get me wrong, but the injections get you rock hard (albeit, I notice a few inches shorter), and it's guaranteed so you can focus on enjoying sex

The injections aren't the reason you're a few inches shorter. That's because of atrophy on your dick due to worse erections from years of ED. Use a VED and with enough exercise your injection size can be the same as your VED size.

I’m 7’ when I use my pill combo (porn and heavy stroking I can keep erection). Even with ruler and flaccid penis pull 7’1.

With Bimix, I’m 6.5’ or sometimes 6.7’

Others on here have posted the same about being shorter on shots.

Making sure I know what you mean...so with pill combo (I assume you mean injections and also viagra?) and watching porn you can get to 7". And your stretched flaccid is 7.1"? But if you only take Bimix you're around 6.5"?

I understand that yes, your size is smaller when you're less aroused and had less medicine, but that's still not because of the medicine itself. It's because you have serious erectile dysfunction problems and you've had them for years. Your tissues have decayed due to atrophy from the worse and worse blood flow that was becoming less effective every day., which I believe happens to all men as they age. If you treat this problem with a VED traction therapy, I believe it is a reasonable expectation that when you repair these tissues you'll be capable of only taking Bixmix and measuring your dick at 7.1".

This is how they work:

VED, which are traditionally a closed end plastic cylinder placed over the penis, use negative pressure via a battery or hand-operated vacuum suction to increase penile blood flow via distension of corporal sinusoids. This negative pressure subsequently induces arterial blood flow into the sinusoidal spaces of cavernosal tissues. Doppler studies have shown nearly a 2-fold increase in cavernosal artery diameter with use of VED.¹ Notably, VED can stimulate oxygenation of corpora without need for an intact nerve supply, a benefit vs pharmacological options for erectile dysfunction such as PDEi-5.

Mehr, J., Santarelli, S., Green, T. P., Beetz, J., Panuganti, S., & Wang, R. (2022). Emerging Roles of Penile Traction Therapy and Vacuum Erectile Devices. Sexual Medicine Reviews, 10(3), 421–433. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.sxmr.2021.12.003

Here's why they're safe:

The vacuum erection device (VED) is the oldest therapy used
for male sexual function among all approved modalities. It was
introduced for erectile dysfunction (ED) nearly 150 years ago,
cleared by U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1982 and
adopted by American Urological Association (AUA) in 1996 as a
standard of care.1 Significant amount of clinic evidence has
proven the effectiveness of VED for ED since the early 1980s.

Wang, R. (2022). Is There Still a Role for Vacuum Erection Devices in Contemporary Sexual Medicine? The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 19(5), 682–685. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsxm.2022.02.013

I know other people report being shorter due to injections or pills. But the reason they're shorter isn't because the erections came from medication. It's because they needed to take the medication in the first place. If you didn't need Bimix but took it anyway and were in your 20s again, you'd get 7.1". But you're not, so you take medications to get hard, and they do the best they can but they can't overcome all the decay by themselves.

Use a VED and show me how I'm wrong.

2435tjklAS wrote:

Livewire wrote:

2435tjklAS wrote:The injections aren't the reason you're a few inches shorter. That's because of atrophy on your dick due to worse erections from years of ED. Use a VED and with enough exercise your injection size can be the same as your VED size.

I’m 7’ when I use my pill combo (porn and heavy stroking I can keep erection). Even with ruler and flaccid penis pull 7’1.

With Bimix, I’m 6.5’ or sometimes 6.7’

Others on here have posted the same about being shorter on shots.

Making sure I know what you mean...so with pill combo (I assume you mean injections and also viagra?) and watching porn you can get to 7". And your stretched flaccid is 7.1"? But if you only take Bimix you're around 6.5"?

I understand that yes, your size is smaller when you're less aroused and had less medicine, but that's still not because of the medicine itself. It's because you have serious erectile dysfunction problems and you've had them for years. Your tissues have decayed due to atrophy from the worse and worse blood flow that was becoming less effective every day., which I believe happens to all men as they age. If you treat this problem with a VED traction therapy, I believe it is a reasonable expectation that when you repair these tissues you'll be capable of only taking Bixmix and measuring your dick at 7.1".

This is how they work:

VED, which are traditionally a closed end plastic cylinder placed over the penis, use negative pressure via a battery or hand-operated vacuum suction to increase penile blood flow via distension of corporal sinusoids. This negative pressure subsequently induces arterial blood flow into the sinusoidal spaces of cavernosal tissues. Doppler studies have shown nearly a 2-fold increase in cavernosal artery diameter with use of VED.¹ Notably, VED can stimulate oxygenation of corpora without need for an intact nerve supply, a benefit vs pharmacological options for erectile dysfunction such as PDEi-5.

Mehr, J., Santarelli, S., Green, T. P., Beetz, J., Panuganti, S., & Wang, R. (2022). Emerging Roles of Penile Traction Therapy and Vacuum Erectile Devices. Sexual Medicine Reviews, 10(3), 421–433. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.sxmr.2021.12.003

Here's why they're safe:

The vacuum erection device (VED) is the oldest therapy used
for male sexual function among all approved modalities. It was
introduced for erectile dysfunction (ED) nearly 150 years ago,
cleared by U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1982 and
adopted by American Urological Association (AUA) in 1996 as a
standard of care.1 Significant amount of clinic evidence has
proven the effectiveness of VED for ED since the early 1980s.

Wang, R. (2022). Is There Still a Role for Vacuum Erection Devices in Contemporary Sexual Medicine? The Journal of Sexual Medicine, 19(5), 682–685. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jsxm.2022.02.013

I know other people report being shorter due to injections or pills. But the reason they're shorter isn't because the erections came from medication. It's because they needed to take the medication in the first place. If you didn't need Bimix but took it anyway and were in your 20s again, you'd get 7.1". But you're not, so you take medications to get hard, and they do the best they can but they can't overcome all the decay by themselves.

Use a VED and show me how I'm wrong.

I’ve been debating an implant, as I also have Peyronies. I see you are relatively young. How did you keep you size after implant, proper cycling? Use of VED with implant? I read so much on here of people losing an inch or more.

Livewire wrote:Hello Franksters, been using Trimix then Bimix after two years, with breaks of a month or so here and there, usually 1-2 week.

I miss the ED pills. Don't get me wrong, but the injections get you rock hard (albeit, I notice a few inches shorter), and it's guaranteed so you can focus on enjoying sex, but the pain (sometimes I ache for days), the peyronies fear (I have mild), the constant fear of Priapism, and loss of sensitivity (don't come any more during intercourse, girlfriend loves the ride but feels bad if I don't cum, so I fake it. iTired of it.

The pills were barely working. However, maybe the injections kickstarted something because the last time I took the ED pills (I have to do a combo of PT 141, 40mb Cialis, 100mg viagra, and 20mg levitra), had a somewhat decent erection.

Anybody been successful at returning to pills and never turning back?

I dont think I could go back to pills. I hated the stuffy nose, the headaches, the diarrhea... I hated that I had to tech a pill that fucked with my whole body just to address my dick. Shots put the drug right where you need it and leave the rest of your body alone. My biggest problem with shots is that they last too long.

Livewire wrote:

2435tjklAS wrote:

Livewire wrote:I miss the ED pills. Don't get me wrong, but the injections get you rock hard (albeit, I notice a few inches shorter), and it's guaranteed so you can focus on enjoying sex

The injections aren't the reason you're a few inches shorter. That's because of atrophy on your dick due to worse erections from years of ED. Use a VED and with enough exercise your injection size can be the same as your VED size.

I’m 7’ when I use my pill combo (porn and heavy stroking I can keep erection). Even with ruler and flaccid penis pull 7’1.

With Bimix, I’m 6.5’ or sometimes 6.7’

Others on here have posted the same about being shorter on shots.

I do think I might be a little shorter with shots, I think because it's just super engorging the shaft and not engorging the glans.