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alibaba wrote:http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v27/n3/full/ijir201435a.html

Okay...and your point, Alibaba, is...?

KMeister

Did you read it or is this another of the same complaint you usually reply to me? People ask all the time about one vs. the other. here is a study. Length is always a topic of conversation here. d

alibaba wrote:Did you read it or is this another of the same complaint you usually reply to me? People ask all the time about one vs. the other. here is a study. Length is always a topic of conversation here. d

I was unable to read more than the synopsis of the article provided. I'm not aware of any "complaint" in any reply I've written to you. I wasn't sure of the point of providing the article here and asked. Also, I wasn't sure what you meant by "Longer implant scrotally than infrapubic." I recommend offering your perspective rather than just supplying a link to a synopsis of an article.

KMeister

I did not pay $32 for the full article either but it clearly shows and states that on average infrapubic results in a 2 cm shorter implant that scrotally. Shorter tip extenders mostly and shorter cylinders. d

alibaba wrote:I did not pay $32 for the full article either but it clearly shows and states that on average infrapubic results in a 2 cm shorter implant that scrotally. Shorter tip extenders mostly and shorter cylinders. d

Ah...perspective, context--or "point." Helps with clarity--at least for me.

KMeister

I think the concept of "gaining length" or one patient thinking this implant surgery "gains or loses length" is ridiculous to me. A surgeon fits what goes into the space that you have. I can't see how articles showing one approach makes for more or less length seems kind of crazy, and also kind of "who cares". The length you have is what you have- there's so much more I think to the implant- infection, pump, etc., but length is one thing the doc doesn't control. Anyway- my doc and savior Andrew Kramer in Balto told me he gets over 350 calls per year about guys whose penis "shrunk" and I just feel for the guy.

If the average size is longer or shorter dependent on the type of procedure, there could be a reason why. I cannot see how the internal length of the penis can be measured accurately infrapubic. Milam and Perito say they cut into the cavernosa as deep in the body as they can infrapubic. i do not see how you can get a straight measuring device in at that angle to get an accurate measure. 1/4 of my life has been measuring things. As to shorter complaints. I have read too many times the doc tells the patient they measure then deduct 1/2" to make sure the implant is not too long and won't cause erosion. High experienced doctors, I prefer that term over high volume, say they pull and stretch while they measure to get the most possible length. I have watch videos of doctors who just poke the measuring device in and it is clear from the lack of movement on the penis they are not pushing to make sure it is seated in the glans nor are the stretching. Might work fo ra shower but for we growers that won't cut it. I measure 4" flacid, 5 1/2 after a bowl movement ( this started after the prostatectomey, 5" but skinny after an injection and Cialis, but can pump to 7 1/4 at this time. You poke the measure stick in lightly in a cold room and you will not get much on length on me. Gts down to experience. Perito says he stretches as he measures too. d

I've avoided this discussion because of the high running emotions and misunderstanding on the subject. I don't have the time for the next few days, nor do I like typing out the long explanation on my iPad screen keyboard. So here's the "Long and the Short" of it... There is no size advantage or disadvantage to either type of procedure, it has more to do with the doctor's judgement rather than a measurement device.

When I get the sit down time on a real keyboard, I'll do my best to explain.

So what you are saying it the study is fraudulent, that a lot of doctors spent a lot of time keeping track of records and numbers and they either put down numbers that were wrong or the doctors did not know what they were doing in the study? I did a search using the perameters of floppy head infrapubic, floppy head transscrotal, short length infrapubic, short length transcrotal this morning and came up with a much longer list of infrapubic surgeries reporting these issues than scrotal which seems to correlate to the study you dismiss. Bottom line is many of these surgeries are preformed by doctors that have little more experience than reading the instruction manual. Doctors with experience should do a better job if they are doctors that care about their work. Production line medicine I am not so sure about. d