Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

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Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

Postby TANGERINE » Wed May 31, 2017 10:11 pm

Hi all:

Now that my life is good, and I am "free of ED" and able to think about things aside from my penis, my mind every once in a while drifts toward the question : "when will the other shoe drop ?" When will this implant quit working ?

For me, I hope that I can get a fifteen year run, but that might not be the case.

As a start of the discussion, here is some information from the urological care website regarding failure modes of implants:

"....Malfunction: Malfunction rates are low, less than 5 percent for the first five years. However, all Internal Penile Pump™'s eventually wear out. In general, they will last for 8 to 12 years; like any device, the more it is used, the sooner it will need replacement. However, the Internal Penile Pump™ is easily removed and replaced in the same fashion as the original.....from urologicalcare website."


Life expectancy of penile implants

Life expectancy of penile implants varies from 5 to 20 years and based on past historical data and current available improved implants. I estimate that an implant placed today will most likely last 10 to 15 years. Several patients in my practice have a working penile implant for more than 20 years. Like any other mechanical device, the penile implant is subject to wear and tear and the more it is used the sooner it will breakdown. Average use of a penile implant is considered to be one to two times per week. Patients with larger cylinders require more squeezes of the pump to obtain an erection which can decrease the life expectancy of the pump and tubing connecting the penile pump to the implant cylinders.

When the penile implants fail they are easily replaced and because the space in the shaft of the penis is already shaped around the cylinders, post-operative pain and discomfort of replacement surgery is much less than for the original surgery. Replacement penile implant surgery is slightly more difficult and time consuming compared to the initial surgery and carries with it a greater risk of infection. For this reason, it is recommended that replacement surgery is performed by a penile implant specialist rather than a general urologist. The initial penile implant is in the majority of cases the easiest surgery.

There is no appreciable difference between the life expectancies of the different manufacturers. The AMS silicone cylinders are more fragile than the Bioflex Coloplast cylinders and are the most likely cause of failure of this brand of implant. Failure occurs because of repeated bending of the deflated cylinders at the location of folds and not at the point where the cylinders are connected to the non-inflatable proximal portion. The Coloplast tubing that connects the cylinders to the pump is the Achilles heel of this penile device brand. The tubing is outsourced and not manufactured in-house, is not as good as the AMS tubing and is prone to fracture after 10 to 15 years of use.

Penile pump malfunction is rare. Both AMS MS (momentary squeeze) pump and the Coloplast “Touch” pump are extremely reliable and on rare occasion, the pumps will jam in the deflation mode and will require a very, very forceful squeeze to activate the device. This has occurred more often with the Coloplast pump than with the AMS pump. The reservoirs almost never fail. The Coloplast reservoir has a built-in lockout valve which prevents backflow into the cylinders preventing auto inflation.

Both brands of IPPs have their advantages and disadvantages. It is likely that perfection will never be achieved and also likely that improvements will continue to occur.



SOURCE: J Francois Eid website: https://www.urologicalcare.com/penile-implants-prosthesis/life-expectancy-of-penile-implants/
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Re: Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

Postby TANGERINE » Wed May 31, 2017 10:14 pm

Here are my questions to those of you who have had implants quit working and to those of you who have had a good long run:

1) Please tell us all what advice your surgeon has given regarding "implant care to maximize implant longevity" -- ie, more cycling, less cycling, less pressure, etc etc

2) Those of you who have had a failed implant -- anything that you can tell us about what might have been done differently ???


My gut sense is that you get maybe 1500 cycles out of these things, but I have no idea, so I need to hear what your various doctors have told you
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Re: Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

Postby JayGould » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:26 am

One to two times per week on average... I was intending to use it 1-2 times a day. Hopefully that doesn't mean it will last 1/7th as long. Thoughts?

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Re: Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

Postby David_R » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:16 am

My first implant lasted 12 years (2002-2014) and then it stopped working and was replaced with a newer model. (I liked both of the implants.)

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Re: Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

Postby Donnie1954 » Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:13 am

David_R,
I hope mine last that long or longer. I'm putting a lot of miles on it already. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Re: Implants that last 15 years rather than 8 years -- what do the long lasting implantees recommend ?

Postby AussieRjay » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:12 pm

One to two times per week on average... I was intending to use it 1-2 times a day. Hopefully that doesn't mean it will last 1/7th as long. Thoughts?


While failure modes for both devices have been identified, it is not at all clear to what extent device age, frequency of use, and sheer luck contribute. You could be frugal in its use and still potentially have it fail at 5 years. Studies on this appear not to have been done.

I know respected surgeons have issued opinions that frequency of use correlates with lifespan, but I have no intention of restricting myself to 1-2 times per week, or at all. I got this thing to normalise my sex life and remove constraints, not place new ones in my way.

When it breaks, I will get it replaced. I know I have one or more revisions coming at some point down the track. I know there is a risk with each new procedure, but the future will have to worry about itself. My intention is to fully enjoy the present.
44yo, venous leak since late teens. Destroyed 2 relationships and all self confidence. Implanted 9 May 2017 by Dr Chris Love, Melbourne Australia - Titan 23cm. Looking forward to a new life.


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