Penis Version 2.0 - Ongoing Journal

[stephen54]

Hey all.

I was active here late last year and early this year but fell about entirely off the grid since late February. Apologies for dropping out of sight, I know I did not reply to a number of private messages and am trying to get caught up. Had some challenging ugly extended family things happen and between that and the utter mayhem in the world in general, I basically disengaged. But I like this place very much and a lot of people helped and encouraged me and I would like to continue to offer the same in return to whomever else.

My basic story is at the beginning of this thread. That story sums up my challenges with ED over the last 20+ years and runs through my implant which was with Dr. Levine here in Chicago back on November 2019, so I am 10 months post-op. Thought I'd share some top line observations and experiences over these 10 months, for whatever it may be worth.

Surgery was smooth, Levine does a ton of IPPs and is the consummate pro. Titan XL, 28cm L/R, no RTE. Recovery was fine...quite easy, really. I had some issues immediately post op with just understanding and getting accustomed to using the pump (particularly the deflate function). I won't revisit my whole history here, it's on FT in different threads, ie how I ended up choosing to go with an implant, what the preceding successes/failures were with other approaches pre-implant, etc. Suffice to say, when I went into surgery last November, I was prepared, motivated, committed, ready, and excited as hell.

The last 10 months have, on the whole, only reconfirmed my positives I felt last November. I guess the key points would be:

This thing absolutely works. It's built to allow you to gently make love, or to fuck like rabid unhinged animals, and anything in between that you may want. Robo Dick delivers. The absolute freedom to know I can be hard anytime I want, in any situation, and with genuine 100% confidence that I can perform and do anything we might want to do…cannot put a price on that. It’s been an entirely inexplicable gift to my state of mind, my confidence, and just my overall mental happiness and well-being, not to mention our shared sex life. Cannot overstate this freedom and surety it has brought.

We are having some kind of sex 3-4 times per week. All kinds of stuff. Positions which were impossible or difficult when TriMix was failing are now no problem at all. As TriMix’s effectiveness and duration of action lessened, it meant a lot of missionary in order to keep the firmness I did have inside her and to grind and give her pleasure. But things we love – standing doggy, cowgirl, and especially positions like “amazon”, we have gone a long time unable to enjoy – these were off the table, I just did not have the rigidity necessary. Now every position imaginable is possible. Pretty damn cool.

Spontaneity, and speed to erection are great. It takes me about 20-22 pumps to get the cylinders maxed out full. It's quick. Maybe 45 seconds from the Titan version of "flaccid" to iron bar hardon

We are still sort of finding our way with some in-between hardons, meaning, maybe pumping 5-6 times, then playing for awhile, maybe oral, 69, etc, then pumping more, entering her, etc. She kind of misses the old pre-IPP experience where she could play with me with her hands, or suck and lick me and feel my dick go through an arousal/hardening phase. So we are trying to approximate that with a few pumps here or there. To be fair, though, my dick was a TriMix experiment for about 9 years, so in the context of having used TriMix, for most of that time my dick was either soft...or...after injecting...it was a stick of steel. It's been awhile since there was any organic in-betweens.

No pain, no discomfort of any kind.

Well…ok, not pain, but on the point of discomfort…there is of course the odd crinkle here and there. I definitely have the occasional annoyance with not truly being able to fold curl my dick flat inside underwear and comfortably go about my business. For me, there is discomfort – not pain – but an annoying discomfort, if I really fold my dick down into underwear. I don’t know. I try to angle it off to one side mostly, and that helps. I think it’s just how it is for me based on cylinders, tube orientation, whatever. 95% of my day I walk around with no awareness that I have an implanted body part. It’s definitely just part of me now and mostly normal. But yeah, 5% of my day is spent acutely aware of my dick due to its crinkling and semi-rigidity when “flaccid”. The new flaccid is definitely not the old flaccid.

We have had to adjust here and there, where that duration of sex with a maxed out hard Titan, it can beat her up a bit and I have learned I need sometimes to let a little rigidity out or just slow it down or just call it quits sometimes. I can have sex far longer than any part of her body or mind can accomodate. She's extraordinarily sexual, a little energizer bunny machine. She’s 52 but very athletic and fit and motivated. But this Titan always wins. We have fucked for 1.5 hours to 2.0 hours and I have no problems or discomfort. It all feels good. When I say 1.5-2.0 hours I mean start, stop, start stop, etc. But a single session. Connected to this reality was her initial concern that, with implant, I would fuck her into unconsciousness every time we would have sex – because now I could. Believe me, the sweet thought of that crossed my mind. But the reality for us became…that I needed to very consciously ensure I pumped up and that we had sessions which were more gentle, less aggressive, and just shorter. She sort of feared we’d lose gentle lovemaking in lieu of jackhammer marathon sex. Now we have both. She’s happily surprised. Again, the freedom to know we can be brief and gentle one night, then pound each other into oblivion for an hour on any other night - absolutely freeing and amazing.

The deflate valve never reoriented itself in a lateral plane, it’s in the same place it decided to settle in right after surgery; meaning, my buttons are parallel with my shaft. Makes deflating a (for me, at least) two-handed affair. It’s physically a bit awkward to do what I need to do but obviously I’ve adapted. I found my groove and I get it easily and efficiently deflated, but it's just an awkward placement of the buttons. Definitely not like the Coloplast videos. On the topic of deflating…I’m absolutely positive my cylinders do not 100% deflate. There’s something in my opinion not quite right about the deflate button. Per Coloplast, the deflate on Titan Touch means you depress the buttons briefly then squeeze the shaft firmly and you can release the buttons and fluid continues to flow back into the reservoir. Not how mine works. I absolutely need to keep my buttons depressed in order to keep fluid flowing. If I release the buttons, fluid backflow into reservoir stops. This is not how this device is promised to function. But what the hell am I supposed to do about it, right? I’ve found my workaround. But Coloplast has been horribly non-communicative. I have called and written and asked them for information and support to better understand this issue. They’re simply not interested in communicating with me. It is pretty astounding, honestly. Their customer focus is for absolute dogshit in my view. I don’t believe they see the patient as their customer at all. They just don’t. They sell to the physician. That…is their customer. Me? I’m just an annoying distraction to Coloplast.

My maxed out hardon stands at maybe 3 o’clock orientation. Honestly maybe more like 3:30 sometimes. I was a little surprised it didn’t stand up a bit higher. No functional problem or limitation, just an orientation curiosity

The “big question” answered: Yes - I lost considerable size after implant. It’s just a fact, and it’s my #1 curiosity and a bit of a frustration. Levine and I go back and forth on this, he is always suggesting that I did not measure my dick properly prior to implant. He’s wrong on that. We measured my dick ten ways to Sunday. I know exactly for my entire life what my dick’s size was. On TriMix, just like in my pre-ED days, my maxed out hardon was somewhere between 7.0 – 7.5” length. In terms of girth, I was always around 6.5-6.75”. We measured properly, of that I am absolutely certain. Today I am a full inch shorter at 6.5” and a full inch smaller with girth, at about 5.5 – 5.75”. It’s just a flat fucking fact and reality, regardless of what Levine thinks. He thinks of course that I have an appreciable dick today and above average, etc. Over 10 months of really, really using this new dick…and having cycled it aggressively in the post-op phase…it has been used plenty…it’s just smaller. I don’t believe for one moment that I will gain or recover any sizing, it’s just not credible to me at this point. So I guess I’m lucky I had a fairly large dick to work with prior. And in the end, trust me on this, the immediate access hardon, the confidence, and the restoration of an assertive, complete sex life with my wife…it absolutely outweighs the size loss. It does. For us. Not even a conversation. One fun side benefit of the size loss – anal has become much more possible and workable for her. The loss of girth has opened up anal in ways where, prior, it just was mostly very difficult for her. Big change now. Still cautious and slow and using metric tons of lube, but after insertion in her ass we can now work up a pretty nice pace and rhythm. I can actually thrust and move in ways which are aggressive and mimicking vaginal sex. Didn’t see this coming as a nice little surprise.

Speaking of coming…

That’s a bit of a variable thing for me these days. I could always, pre-ED, then during ED with Viagra, then during TriMix days…I could always fuck a long time without risk of coming. I believe I just sort of trained myself to delay and delay and delay, because I get so much pleasure in giving her pleasure and in seeing her lose control. So these days now, there’s something a little different about how I come. Not sure I can properly explain this. I still want to go and go and go and delay coming. But I think this is a trained/learned/long-standing behavior of mine is all. Because logically…I can come 5 minutes into a session if I want to and I can still physically go literally as long as I want or as long as she wants/needs. I need the general physicality and stamina to keep fucking, of course…but as far as my dick goes, no problem…it just keeps fucking and fucking literally however long she/we choose. I have not done this much. I think maybe twice in these 10 months where I’ve come very quickly as we’ve started to play around, and both times it’s been because she was turned on to see how fast she could make me come, and also because she was curious what it would be like to fuck with a rock hard dick which already came. It definitely works, I can report that. I don’t sense tenderness or anything like that. It just sort of keeps going. The act of coming…there is something though…some little thing that’s a bit different about it. I do feel I mostly have to work a bit harder and be a bit more focused in order to come. Even when I’m ready and want to. Not sure why. All I can really point to is my loss of girth. My wife is small and very tight. Like virginally tight. How that’s possible at 52 I have no idea whatsoever but she just is. So sex before implant was a very tight vagina and an arguably pretty thick girthy dick. Now…same tight vagina but an inch less girthy dick. Fucking feels great still. I mean…clearly I am an addict. A happy addict to sex. It…feels…great post-implant. But it does feel a bit different. But I also assumed it would. I didn’t go into this with some misconception that I’d wake up and have the same sexual experiences I’d always had. I assumed and expected some tradeoffs. They’re there. For sure. But again, on balance, the positives blow away the drawbacks. For me, at least. I feel very very fortunate these days.

That’s my 10 month update. Hope something in there is of value to the guys here.

[hopeful_future]

Bless you for all of this...As a new titan owner, there's so much I can relate to in here, and it's comforting to get a better idea of what to look forward to.

No pain, no discomfort of any kind.

Well…ok, not pain, but on the point of discomfort…there is of course the odd crinkle here and there. I definitely have the occasional annoyance with not truly being able to fold curl my dick flat inside underwear and comfortably go about my business. For me, there is discomfort – not pain – but an annoying discomfort, if I really fold my dick down into underwear. I don’t know. I try to angle it off to one side mostly, and that helps. I think it’s just how it is for me based on cylinders, tube orientation, whatever. 95% of my day I walk around with no awareness that I have an implanted body part. It’s definitely just part of me now and mostly normal. But yeah, 5% of my day is spent acutely aware of my dick due to its crinkling and semi-rigidity when “flaccid”. The new flaccid is definitely not the old flaccid.

About how long did it take to get comfortable tucking things around. Right now, there's zero chance of me tucking downward and fitting in pants. I'm a pretty firm 3:00 flaccid, and while I can bend down a bit (can almost pee into a toilet standing up again), I'm still probably firm enough for vaginal penetration and maybe .25 inches shorter than my usual 5.75 or so inches (was a bit over 6 before surgery). I can fold down, but it's like a big kink in a rubber hose, not happening for any reasonable length of time. I'm admittedly 3 weeks out from surgery, so expecting at least some additional improvement, but was wondering how it went for you.

The deflate valve never reoriented itself in a lateral plane, it’s in the same place it decided to settle in right after surgery; meaning, my buttons are parallel with my shaft. Makes deflating a (for me, at least) two-handed affair. It’s physically a bit awkward to do what I need to do but obviously I’ve adapted. I found my groove and I get it easily and efficiently deflated, but it's just an awkward placement of the buttons. Definitely not like the Coloplast videos. On the topic of deflating…I’m absolutely positive my cylinders do not 100% deflate. There’s something in my opinion not quite right about the deflate button. Per Coloplast, the deflate on Titan Touch means you depress the buttons briefly then squeeze the shaft firmly and you can release the buttons and fluid continues to flow back into the reservoir. Not how mine works. I absolutely need to keep my buttons depressed in order to keep fluid flowing. If I release the buttons, fluid backflow into reservoir stops. This is not how this device is promised to function. But what the hell am I supposed to do about it, right? I’ve found my workaround. But Coloplast has been horribly non-communicative. I have called and written and asked them for information and support to better understand this issue. They’re simply not interested in communicating with me. It is pretty astounding, honestly. Their customer focus is for absolute dogshit in my view. I don’t believe they see the patient as their customer at all. They just don’t. They sell to the physician. That…is their customer. Me? I’m just an annoying distraction to Coloplast.

Interesting anecdote...I've got the same issue, I need to hold the button in order to deflate. But in my followup visit with my doctor last week, he hit my deflate button, and it went into deflate mode. As in, I could squeeze it throughout the entire day, and it would re-deflate if any autoinflation occurred (it does a bit). I'm dealing with a pretty large amount of swelling (doc says it's a hydrocele, but it seems like it totally envelops the pump), so it hurt like hell when he hit the button...but it clicked over! Even had a little "pop" when I went to inflate it the next day. I have not been able to reproduce it in the several days since I saw him. I have pressed about as hard as I can manage, and I only get the ability to deflate while it's pressed.

He showed me an actual implant pump to demonstrate how the pin clicks over when you press it, and it was super easy to press with it sitting in front of me...didn't seem to take much force at all. But it tells me that it's possible that I might figure it out down the road? Not sure if you're local to Levine, but maybe you could go in and see if he could hit the button? I'm just letting myself heal a bit before trying to really mash the damn thing down. It's really frustrating.

That’s my 10 month update. Hope something in there is of value to the guys here.

Seriously, it's great. Thank you for sharing, and hope you continue to have a blast with your implant!

[October26]

You shared some pictures of your erect penis before and after and I wondered if you had some of the flaccid state as well? Thanks!

[stephen54]

About how long did it take to get comfortable tucking things around. Right now, there's zero chance of me tucking downward and fitting in pants. I'm a pretty firm 3:00 flaccid, and while I can bend down a bit (can almost pee into a toilet standing up again), I'm still probably firm enough for vaginal penetration and maybe .25 inches shorter than my usual 5.75 or so inches (was a bit over 6 before surgery). I can fold down, but it's like a big kink in a rubber hose, not happening for any reasonable length of time. I'm admittedly 3 weeks out from surgery, so expecting at least some additional improvement, but was wondering how it went for you.

I wouldn't say I'm "comfortable" tucking my dick down today, even, and I'm almost at the one year mark. Comfortable just isn't the word I'd use. But I'm now able to tuck my dick down at the 6 o'clock position, more or less, and it is just a progression where, as the months go by, all of a sudden I'll realize, "hey, that's sort of more pliable and hanging better now".

Earlier on I was fighting my dick and it was fighting me back, just to get into pants, shorts, a suit, without making a fucking scene. I was extremely aware of my dick constantly in the earlier months post-implant. Now my dick feels absolutely natural and part of me most of the day and in most situations. It's an ever-evolving thing but always incrementally better. It's really just over the last couple months I feel where I've realized enough progress with tucking it down that it feels (almost, sort of, kind of, pretty close to) natural.

I actually think underwear choice is key. Seriously. I've tried a bunch. Have found a specific Adidas and a specific Tommy Hilfiger microfiber boxer brief that have really made a big difference for me. It's the particular way these have a dick pouch sewn in a way where the pouch extends forward from the body, slightly, but still provides a downward compression. But - a gentle downward compression. These things saved me.

[Waynetho]

@Stephen54, I don't know if you've noticed with yours but I find that sometimes my dick has filled out to the point where folding it just isn't going to be comfortable at all (ie, almost impossible). On those occasions I have found that a quick inflate to near max pressure and then deflate will compress the tissues enough that I can easily fold my now pliable dick.

[stephen54]

@Stephen54, I don't know if you've noticed with yours but I find that sometimes my dick has filled out to the point where folding it just isn't going to be comfortable at all (ie, almost impossible). On those occasions I have found that a quick inflate to near max pressure and then deflate will compress the tissues enough that I can easily fold my now pliable dick.

I haven't tried it that way. Interesting. I'm not surprised someone has found yet another workaround. If I don't get myself fully deflated, then I tend to just hit the buttons again later (in my semi-state) and force out as much as I can of the remaining fluid. Mine definitely empties fine when starting from a partially-emptied state, ie the deflate functionality does activate.

More times than not, if i have discomfort in clothing, I find that I was not 100% emptied. I think even leaving it 90% empty is enough remaining in there to get a little frustrated with comfort/fold-down. After playtime we're usually exhausted and I've definitely noticed that, in that state of mind, I'm not the greatest at fully emptying the cylinders...

[stephen54]

Wondering how long guys have kept their implants inflated? What's your longest? And did you experience any unfavorable effects?

Reason I ask:

Last night after we had a quickie a little before midnight, both of us were very tired but also sort of not entirely finished. She wanted me to spoon her and slide back into her and cuddle up. Not thrust, just slide in and rest a little like that. So I did. Woke up God knows how much later, was still buried to the bone in her. I move around a little, she becomes aware, she starts thrusting back into me. We fuck gently. I come again. I am still really tired so I assumed we had dozed off for 20 minutes or something before we woke and fucked again. In hindsight, I think it was a lot longer.

Fast forward...fell asleep again and woke at 5:15a...fell out of her at some point overnight but was still 100% inflated. For probably 5+ hours. I sort of jolted awake, like fast. Kind of concerned like WTF did I just do?! But realized I had no particular discomfort. A tiny bit, just a little bit of tenderness at the base of my glans. Got up, deflated normally, went to work. Dick feels normal now.

I just don't recall hearing or reading any guidance from manufacturer or surgeon or even here on FT about what duration it may be recommended to curtail inflation. No problems whatsoever, just curious. Have pretty frequently stayed inflated for 90 minutes to 2 hours just in the course of normal playtime and never an issue.

[Waynetho]

@Stephen54, I don't know if you've noticed with yours but I find that sometimes my dick has filled out to the point where folding it just isn't going to be comfortable at all (ie, almost impossible). On those occasions I have found that a quick inflate to near max pressure and then deflate will compress the tissues enough that I can easily fold my now pliable dick.

I haven't tried it that way. Interesting. I'm not surprised someone has found yet another workaround. If I don't get myself fully deflated, then I tend to just hit the buttons again later (in my semi-state) and force out as much as I can of the remaining fluid. Mine definitely empties fine when starting from a partially-emptied state, ie the deflate functionality does activate.

More times than not, if i have discomfort in clothing, I find that I was not 100% emptied. I think even leaving it 90% empty is enough remaining in there to get a little frustrated with comfort/fold-down. After playtime we're usually exhausted and I've definitely noticed that, in that state of mind, I'm not the greatest at fully emptying the cylinders...

In case it was assumed that I was referring to correcting incomplete deflation or autoinflation, that wasn't what I was talking about. Specifically what I was referring to is to have a presentable "FLACCID" for going nude. Sometimes it has simply plumped up too much to be presentable without looking like I'm sporting a semi. On those occasions at the local sex-friendly club I go to, if it's not hanging low enough I simply pump it up and then squeeze it back out again, with my trademarked "ROLL DOWN" method. That keeps the hang as close to 6 o'clock as possible (normally 5:00). Yes it will plump up again during the night but it's so imperceptible that it's not an issue. What I believe happens is that throughout the day I will still get occasional quasi-erections that plump up the tissues but because of the implant, the dartos layer cannot retract my penis into my body, thus deflating the engorgement and instead it simply remains in the plumped, semi-erect state.

I just help out mother nature and re-compress the tissues with the implant, following up with a full deflate which leaves me nicely deflated for a time.

[Lost Sheep]

Wondering how long guys have kept their implants inflated? What's your longest? And did you experience any unfavorable effects?
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Kind of concerned like WTF did I just do?! But realized I had no particular discomfort. A tiny bit, just a little bit of tenderness at the base of my glans. Got up, deflated normally, went to work. Dick feels normal now.

I just don't recall hearing or reading any guidance from manufacturer or surgeon or even here on FT about what duration it may be recommended to curtail inflation. No problems whatsoever, just curious. Have pretty frequently stayed inflated for 90 minutes to 2 hours just in the course of normal playtime and never an issue.

Prolonged sustained inflation - not advisable as a regular practice.

In this thread, Merrix advises against leaving an implant inflated continuously for extended periods of time. His logic is sound, I think.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13095

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Furthermore, some of the posts in this thread indicates that people are even taking risks with their own bodies to achieve a few mm extra. I am no doctor of course, and this is just my layman's thoughts. But I just feel certain that it cannot be good to cycle to the level where it is downright painful and then to try to endure that pain for as long as possible. Pain is the body's warning signal that something is about to break.
Regarding sleeping with my implant inflated, I wouldn't do that. There is a reason that erosion is a problem with malleable implants. They cannot be deflated and hence always push against the tissue in our bodies. Hence they can damage that tissue. Sleeping with it inflated would mean that 33% of your life your dick is exposed to the same forces as a malleable. And assumably you take on roughly 33% of that risk by doing so. Not for me.

It caused me to rethink my attitude towards the practice of sleeping inflated.

It was uncomfortable when I tried it early on, but no problem at all now. Back when I had natural nocturnal erections and morning wood, I always loved the feel of it between me and the mattress. With my implant it feels exactly the same way.

I don’t make a habit of leaving it pumped all night, but just as I am at the first stage of wake bug up I pump to the max and fall back asleep. That way I start each day with the feeling of morning wood. It is great to have that sensation.

I frequently go to sleep pumped up. Sometimes 80% and sometimes 100%. When 100%, after about 90 minutes, it becomes uncomfortable and I awaken. Then I will release the pressure.

Leaving tissues stretched for long periods of time does not seem to be a problem, but leaving tissues COMPRESSED (restricting blood flow) probably is problematic. Judge for yourself and discuss with your surgeon/urologist/primary care doctor, whichever is available and knowledgeable.

I wonder if any medical journal articles have been written on the advisability? Frequent/extended periods of inflation may prevent shrinkage/atrophy or might exacerbate problems. Has anyone found such a discussion among reputable, peer-reviewed journals?

I have never read anything in the topic, but my surgeon said to avoid prolonged periods of inflation as it puts pressure in the inside of the glans that can eventually lead to erosion of the internal tissues. That is the main problem with the malleable implants since it is similar to having a constant erection.

I have never read anything in the topic, but my surgeon said to avoid prolonged periods of inflation as it puts pressure in the inside of the glans that can eventually lead to erosion of the internal tissues. That is the main problem with the malleable implants since it is similar to having a constant erection.

Excellent advice from your surgeon. But I wonder how long is prolonged too long?

I have taken discomfort in my glans as the indicator. I hope that is correct and does not put me at risk. I also do not habitually pump to 100% and let it stay for more than 90 minutes (beyond that wakes me if I fell asleep). And I only do that once or twice a week at most, sometimes skipping a week or two. Just random and depending on how I feel. I have not established a schedule.

[Gt1956]

I recall Dr. Perito talking about some men at the beach in Florida that keep it inflated all the time. He had a name that the locals call them but I forget it. He said that some of them have been erect so much that they can't deflate them. I don't recall him saying why but I'll guess that the reservoir has become encapsulated with scar tissue. Not allowing the fluid to fit back it.
I personally doubt that an occasional extended inflation period would lead to that condition. But it might be safe to make sure that you completely defate it & leave it that way after the extended inflation. Cheap insurance so to say.