My story and whether I should consider an implant

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Simbarn
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Simbarn » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:28 pm

Markc2008 wrote:Yeah I have seen this article before. I have for a while now thought I had pssd since I have most of these symptoms. The problem is no one know if this is permanent or just long lived or what. But how many years do you put up with this in hopes that it’s not permanent before you do something about it?


Yes, I did notice that you did seem to have many of the symptoms. I also have periods of loss of sexual sensation in the penis. This has been occurring on and off for many years. I was also on an SSRI for approximately 12 months.
When I look back it does seem to have occurred after that time. Difficult to be sure now, this was many years ago. So all of this is interesting. I have noticed that the daily Cialis has improved this issue for me, only while I take the drug.
One of the possible explanations for PSSD that was conjectured that I read was that it may adversely affect the NO pathway. Pde5 inhibitors boost the NO pathway or over time help to possibly repair it. So maybe this is why the chronic Tadalafil is helping.

I also found the full study of this one if you would like it? I could email it to you if you like.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25815755/
Age 57, ED issues for 15-20 years. Testosterone replacement with Enanthate and Ovidrel. Currently using generic Tadalafil 2.5mgs and Resveratrol daily.

Markc2008
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Markc2008 » Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:34 pm

Thanks I downloaded the article. Yeah I mean it’s one of those things where I don’t know what to do. I’m getting closer and closer to two years like this. I take cialis a lot but no results after it is out of my system. I’ll give it more time but at some point I’m going to start exploring an implant. I mean the pills help some with Ed but none with the PE at all or the shrinkage I experience day to day. Not sure how I feel about injections.

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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Derron » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:09 pm

Thanks for the article, actually this is what I was looking for.

Markc2008
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Markc2008 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:25 am

I also had my first full failure last night with levitra. Now I did have two beers with dinner and I took it about a half hour after eating so maybe that is why but it is a he first time they have not helped enough to atleast penetrate. For time being I’ll chalk it up to a fluke but if it keeps happening everything will be expedited.

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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Simbarn » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:25 pm

Markc2008 wrote:I also had my first full failure last night with levitra. Now I did have two beers with dinner and I took it about a half hour after eating so maybe that is why but it is a he first time they have not helped enough to atleast penetrate. For time being I’ll chalk it up to a fluke but if it keeps happening everything will be expedited.


Yes, many things could have caused you to fail in that situation. A stomach full of food could have made absorption much slower. If one PDE5 inhibitor stops working after time, a different one may work as many here have discovered. Alcohol can definitely be a problem too.
Don’t jump to extreme decisions if you fail now and again.
For myself, when the times comes, I will be exhausting the injection route before ever considering an implant, even my partner has said he would prefer for me to have my natural penis for as long as possible, which I feel the same about. He is actually encouraging me to try the injections at some point in the future and has no problem with the thought of me having to do this before sex.

There is a great amount of research going on at the moment in regard to how the different pathways in the penis can cause ED issues, especially the Rho-kinase pathway .Given all this research, I do not think it will be that long before a very good selective rho-kinase inhibitor will be developed. This will possibly be a good solution for men that do not respond well to Pde5 inhibitors. It appears that many young men with what looks to be severe psychogenic ED may actually have a dysfunction with the above inhibitory pathway in the penis. This pathway may have a stronger influence in maintaining the penis in a flaccid state than the adrenergic pathway. It is the pathway that takes over after the adrenergic pathway is triggered. Your issue could be related to the above in that the anti-depressants have upregulated this inhibitory mechanism in the penis, which could also affect local sexual sensation. When you do have success with a Pde5 inhibitor, does some of your sexual sensation return?

At your age you may get 10-15 or even more years of sex with injections after PDE5 inhibitors have stopped working, if they do. By then there could be a whole new gamut of treatment options available.
The following is how I think about injections versus an implant; an injection will give you a full throbbing hard erection full of blood just like its meant to feel. An implant will artificially enlarge the outer skin of your penis without any of this feeling as that part of the penis has been removed. Some do not get glans enlargement as well after the surgery. If you are also suffering from sexual desensitisation in the penis, the possible lack of blood flow due to the surgery and loss of nitric oxide could make this worse not better. Consider this.
The implant is a wonderful alternative once injections have stopped working, because at least then there is one last option to try. But IMO it should be the very last.

You are accustomed to giving yourself an injection a number of times a week for testosterone. Apparently, injecting into the penis is even easier as there is not much sensitivity in the shaft (other guys on the forum who do this regularly can advise). There are finer needles available than 27g which could make it even less of an issue. Doctors in my clinic use these for Botox and the patient feels very little even when using these on the face where there are many more nerves.
Age 57, ED issues for 15-20 years. Testosterone replacement with Enanthate and Ovidrel. Currently using generic Tadalafil 2.5mgs and Resveratrol daily.

Markc2008
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Markc2008 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 12:20 pm

Yeah I mean I am not opposed to give the injections a chance, although I worry about three things: scar tissue cause issues, loss of effectiveness quickly, and then an erection that won’t go down... I wander how common these issues are. Are the injections only a temporary fix? Do they ever return normal function to people or can be used forever?

Simbarn
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Simbarn » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:46 pm

Talk to the guys on the injection side of the forum, I am sure they have much information to share.
I spoke to my doctor about the scar tissue issue and he said very unlikely unless you are injecting very frequently like a couple of times a day. A few times a week he said absolutely fine.

It also appears that most guys get many years of great sex before they stop working. This could be due to many reasons, such as age and conditions originally causing the problem slowly getting worse.
Even if some scar tissue did occur down the track, it is still far less drastic than what an implant does. Plus it will not make getting an implant more difficult or stop it from being successful as that part of the penis is removed!
I do find it interesting that you are concerned about a small amount of scar tissue from long term injection use, when you have been considering having most of the internal parts of your penis destroyed and two artificial tubes stuck inside it! That for me is much more of a concern.
Do you get my point?
You did not answer my question; do you find that some of your sexual sensitivity returns when using a PDE5 inhibitor successfully?
Age 57, ED issues for 15-20 years. Testosterone replacement with Enanthate and Ovidrel. Currently using generic Tadalafil 2.5mgs and Resveratrol daily.

Markc2008
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Markc2008 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:55 pm

Sorry, typically no the sensitivity doesn’t change. And the desire for me to have sex doesn’t increase either. Well my concern was that of causing issues with scar tissue where I couldn’t do an implant down the road. I think injections would help being that you don’t need much arousal to work which is what my issue is from meds.the implant is scary just want to do whatever can help me live normal.

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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby 68CatFan » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 pm

Scar tissue is a possibility with injections but the chance can be minimized with proper techniques. Priapism is totally avoidable also. Scar tissue to my knowledge does not make an implant impossible later on. Feel free to PM me if you want more info on injections and I can elaborate more.
Fifty-one years old. ED started at age forty. I took Cialis for eight years and used Trimix for almost three. Implanted 12/6/22 by Dr. Jonathan Clavell. AMS 700CX 21cm.

Markc2008
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Re: My story and whether I should consider an implant

Postby Markc2008 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:27 pm

Pm sent with a couple questions.


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