Im angry and depressed as f*ck. Just had a consultation for the prosthesis.

[Gt1956]

Baseballfan. I will guess that you live in the USA. My daughter asked about her older brothers conception. I replied lack of condoms. She was shocked, "what do you mean". She didn't know that as a high schooler, condoms were not hanging on a hook where you could zip thru self checkout. Yes youngsters. Back in cave man times. You had to get up the courage to ask the pharmacist for condoms. Try that at 13.

[Txagq8]

Baseballfan. I will guess that you live in the USA. My daughter asked about her older brothers conception. I replied lack of condoms. She was shocked, "what do you mean". She didn't know that as a high schooler, condoms were not hanging on a hook where you could zip thru self checkout. Yes youngsters. Back in cave man times. You had to get up the courage to ask the pharmacist for condoms. Try that at 13.

Or you could have skipped lunch at school and saved the quarter, then used the quarter to buy a condom (called prophylactics, for prevention of disease only) in a gas station bathroom.

No lubricant. No reservoir end. God, we lived in the dark ages. It is a miracle any of us survived.

[Nadie123]

Hi guys. After reading your journals, i was ready for the idea of an implant. Today i went to a good italian doctor for a consultation and he told me things that i hated to hear. Honestly, i'm starting to think that i'm just doomed to depression and impotence for life.

He told me that i should try PRP for Peyronie's, but by reading the studies i already know it doesnt give great results and will never be able to reverse my situation. It costs a lot and i'm not going to spend all that money just for a "try" (his words, so no guarantee).

Then he told me that "for sure i will lose at least 2cm with an implant". I told him: "But Doc, i've stretched my flaccid penis to the maximum, why don't you do it like me?" He said that i've stretched the flaccid penis too much and, if they insert me a prosthesis with that measurements, i will probably have a glans ischemia or an extrusion.
And this because i've stretched really a lot the penis while flaccid.

Then i asked him about the girth: i've said him that, if i stretch to the maximum extension, my girth is ridicolous, like 7-8 cm or 3.15 inches. He told me that with a Titan i will have for sure more girth than that, but i will probably lose 1-2 cm even in girth.

So: i've already lost 1 full inch in lenght and 0.5" inch in girth by Peyronie; then i'll have to accept another 0,5-1" loss in lenght and probably the same loss in girth.
My only question is: WTF is that? Is that an option?? Sorry, not for me. I don't want to insult anyone who lost that size, but for me it is just not acceptable.
I apologize for everyone for this post, i'm really angry and depressed and honestly i don't know what to do now in my life.

IMPORTANT QUESTION: By reading your journals, people here told me that american doctors can give you the same lenght and girth you had PRE-IMPLANT. Do doctors like Eid measure you like mine? Do they REALLY stretch to the maximum or they just take your penis and stretch a little bit like my doctor? Trust me i've really stretched to the maximum with both hands and my doctor said it's not feasible because i would risk an extrusion, so he has to bring down 1.5-2 cm.

P.S. = Please don't tell me the old tale "even if you lose 2", at least you have a working penis" because we are humans with dignity, we the men have a psychology like women and we deserve to be good with ourselves too. It's just not a matter to fuck, i would just not recognize that penis as mine. Sorry again to everyone if you feel offended but that's it.

You reminded me how much chaos goes into all of this. I felt absolutely petrified with fear going to the pharmacy and saying I was there to pick up viagra as a 20 year old college guy. Certainly not typical at all. Most of that fear is in my own head. I doubt a pharmacist cares about some kid’s ED issues and just wants to do their job. But still a good reminder from you that it isn’t as simple as just walking into a building, asking for an implant, and then having sex like a stud out of a porno two months later. We’re in it for the long haul boys. As a silver lining I’m sure we young guys who come out on the other side of this develop strong mental fortitude

Your gonna be at a increase risk for erosion, infection, and revisions. Having a implant will be a shock to your young partners and very unexpected. If word gets out that you have a implant there will be a lot of immature people talking about you behind your back. The stigma of ED is worse for a young man. Your gonna have to accept you will have to deal with surgeries and the risks that comes with them for the rest of your life.

Exactly, that is the point where I am going with that it is more complicated for a young man than an adult, young people require more empathy.

[Gt1956]

Baseballfan. I will guess that you live in the USA. My daughter asked about her older brothers conception. I replied lack of condoms. She was shocked, "what do you mean". She didn't know that as a high schooler, condoms were not hanging on a hook where you could zip thru self checkout. Yes youngsters. Back in cave man times. You had to get up the courage to ask the pharmacist for condoms. Try that at 13.

Or you could have skipped lunch at school and saved the quarter, then used the quarter to buy a condom (called prophylactics, for prevention of disease only) in a gas station bathroom.

No lubricant. No reservoir end. God, we lived in the dark ages. It is a miracle any of us survived

I did that. Only problem was gas stations in my state didn't have condom vending machines. We passed thru Nevada occasionally where they were sold. But for a kid banging his gf twice a day. The couple I could of snuck home wouldn't of helped much. FYI, this was 1969, we had 3 tv stations & 1 phone on about a two foot long cord.
I spent my extra quarter feeding my gf lunch because her mother wouldn't give her lunch money. As I recall lunch was 35 cents a day. I hauled hay & cleaned up horse shit to feed & clothe her. We had clothes for her on layaway at almost every clothing store in our small town. Ya, how did we survive? My kids don't understand the lifestyle that my wife grew up in.

[Baseballfan11]

Hi guys. After reading your journals, i was ready for the idea of an implant. Today i went to a good italian doctor for a consultation and he told me things that i hated to hear. Honestly, i'm starting to think that i'm just doomed to depression and impotence for life.

He told me that i should try PRP for Peyronie's, but by reading the studies i already know it doesnt give great results and will never be able to reverse my situation. It costs a lot and i'm not going to spend all that money just for a "try" (his words, so no guarantee).

Then he told me that "for sure i will lose at least 2cm with an implant". I told him: "But Doc, i've stretched my flaccid penis to the maximum, why don't you do it like me?" He said that i've stretched the flaccid penis too much and, if they insert me a prosthesis with that measurements, i will probably have a glans ischemia or an extrusion.
And this because i've stretched really a lot the penis while flaccid.

Then i asked him about the girth: i've said him that, if i stretch to the maximum extension, my girth is ridicolous, like 7-8 cm or 3.15 inches. He told me that with a Titan i will have for sure more girth than that, but i will probably lose 1-2 cm even in girth.

So: i've already lost 1 full inch in lenght and 0.5" inch in girth by Peyronie; then i'll have to accept another 0,5-1" loss in lenght and probably the same loss in girth.
My only question is: WTF is that? Is that an option?? Sorry, not for me. I don't want to insult anyone who lost that size, but for me it is just not acceptable.
I apologize for everyone for this post, i'm really angry and depressed and honestly i don't know what to do now in my life.

IMPORTANT QUESTION: By reading your journals, people here told me that american doctors can give you the same lenght and girth you had PRE-IMPLANT. Do doctors like Eid measure you like mine? Do they REALLY stretch to the maximum or they just take your penis and stretch a little bit like my doctor? Trust me i've really stretched to the maximum with both hands and my doctor said it's not feasible because i would risk an extrusion, so he has to bring down 1.5-2 cm.

P.S. = Please don't tell me the old tale "even if you lose 2", at least you have a working penis" because we are humans with dignity, we the men have a psychology like women and we deserve to be good with ourselves too. It's just not a matter to fuck, i would just not recognize that penis as mine. Sorry again to everyone if you feel offended but that's it.

You reminded me how much chaos goes into all of this. I felt absolutely petrified with fear going to the pharmacy and saying I was there to pick up viagra as a 20 year old college guy. Certainly not typical at all. Most of that fear is in my own head. I doubt a pharmacist cares about some kid’s ED issues and just wants to do their job. But still a good reminder from you that it isn’t as simple as just walking into a building, asking for an implant, and then having sex like a stud out of a porno two months later. We’re in it for the long haul boys. As a silver lining I’m sure we young guys who come out on the other side of this develop strong mental fortitude

Your gonna be at a increase risk for erosion, infection, and revisions. Having a implant will be a shock to your young partners and very unexpected. If word gets out that you have a implant there will be a lot of immature people talking about you behind your back. The stigma of ED is worse for a young man. Your gonna have to accept you will have to deal with surgeries and the risks that comes with them for the rest of your life.

Hey, you have an implant according to your signature. I’d like to think by the time I’d have one I wouldn’t care what someone thinks and just be fortunate to have sex again. Hopefully women would still want to have sex with me even with an implant. Id consider myself relatively good looking with a lively personality

[FMLFML85]

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[Baseballfan11]

Baseballfan. I will guess that you live in the USA. My daughter asked about her older brothers conception. I replied lack of condoms. She was shocked, "what do you mean". She didn't know that as a high schooler, condoms were not hanging on a hook where you could zip thru self checkout. Yes youngsters. Back in cave man times. You had to get up the courage to ask the pharmacist for condoms. Try that at 13.

With all due respect, I don’t see purchasing condoms as being so embarrassing for a guy. If anything it’s a sign that they’re desirable and getting some action. Especially at a young age. In what universe is it cool to have erectile dysfunction in your 20s??? LOL. Yes, I am in the U.S. Texas.

[Gt1956]

Baseballfan. I will guess that you live in the USA. My daughter asked about her older brothers conception. I replied lack of condoms. She was shocked, "what do you mean". She didn't know that as a high schooler, condoms were not hanging on a hook where you could zip thru self checkout. Yes youngsters. Back in cave man times. You had to get up the courage to ask the pharmacist for condoms. Try that at 13.

With all due respect, I don’t see purchasing condoms as being so embarrassing for a guy. If anything it’s a sign that they’re desirable and getting some action. Especially at a young age. In what universe is it cool to have erectile dysfunction in your 20s??? LOL. Yes, I am in the U.S. Texas.

I don't think anyone that I knew 52 years ago even had heard of ed. So it's hard to compare the two. Lets try this to show there might be more similarity than what you might assume.
Sex is way more permissible in the last 30 years. Few was the girls that would admit to their gf's that they had done "it". Even my best childhood friend didn't know I was having sex. Yet alone every day. Only rumors were whispered about a few girls suddenly disappeared from attending school. There was no young mothers high school. Our principle fully expected that my gf, later wife would just disappear. We stood our ground, got a home teacher & we attended school as husband & wife after our sons birth. We did the unheard of feat of the time. We both graduated high school. Condoms weren't cool then. Neither was teenage pregnancy.
Maybe a better comparison would be this. You can buy Viagra mail order. No need to talk to a pharmacist. Try carrying an eight pound Viagra pill around with you everywhere you go as a 16 year old.
You could argue that when buying Viagra that girls found you so desirable that you need a little help to service all of them. Maybe the pharmacist is thinking "hold your head up high, you're getting tons of pussy kid".
Btw, I got conned into buying "rubbers" as we called them for friends. That always led to the pharmacist correcting that they were called prophylactics. Hell I couldn't pronouced that to save my life. Doesn't matter where you went or if you was buying a single or a 3 pack. The pharmacist would tell you they were cheaper if you bought the 30 pack. They made sure to get their ounce of flesh from you. Does your pharmacist lecture you that Viagra is cheaper if you buy a 90 day supply?
Good topic but not easy to compare buying Viagra to buying condoms. Somehow you need to correct for the changes in society.

[Baseballfan11]

Baseballfan. I will guess that you live in the USA. My daughter asked about her older brothers conception. I replied lack of condoms. She was shocked, "what do you mean". She didn't know that as a high schooler, condoms were not hanging on a hook where you could zip thru self checkout. Yes youngsters. Back in cave man times. You had to get up the courage to ask the pharmacist for condoms. Try that at 13.

With all due respect, I don’t see purchasing condoms as being so embarrassing for a guy. If anything it’s a sign that they’re desirable and getting some action. Especially at a young age. In what universe is it cool to have erectile dysfunction in your 20s??? LOL. Yes, I am in the U.S. Texas.

I don't think anyone that I knew 52 years ago even had heard of ed. So it's hard to compare the two. Lets try this to show there might be more similarity than what you might assume.
Sex is way more permissible in the last 30 years. Few was the girls that would admit to their gf's that they had done "it". Even my best childhood friend didn't know I was having sex. Yet alone every day. Only rumors were whispered about a few girls suddenly disappeared from attending school. There was no young mothers high school. Our principle fully expected that my gf, later wife would just disappear. We stood our ground, got a home teacher & we attended school as husband & wife after our sons birth. We did the unheard of feat of the time. We both graduated high school. Condoms weren't cool then. Neither was teenage pregnancy.
Maybe a better comparison would be this. You can buy Viagra mail order. No need to talk to a pharmacist. Try carrying an eight pound Viagra pill around with you everywhere you go as a 16 year old.
You could argue that when buying Viagra that girls found you so desirable that you need a little help to service all of them. Maybe the pharmacist is thinking "hold your head up high, you're getting tons of pussy kid".
Btw, I got conned into buying "rubbers" as we called them for friends. That always led to the pharmacist correcting that they were called prophylactics. Hell I couldn't pronouced that to save my life. Doesn't matter where you went or if you was buying a single or a 3 pack. The pharmacist would tell you they were cheaper if you bought the 30 pack. They made sure to get their ounce of flesh from you. Does your pharmacist lecture you that Viagra is cheaper if you buy a 90 day supply?
Good topic but not easy to compare buying Viagra to buying condoms. Somehow you need to correct for the changes in society.

It’s so funny to me that when I first read this I envisioned some ancient scene out of an old movie, but in reality you’re born the same year as my dad (1956) and I don’t see him as really being that old. Thanks for expanding my perspective. This ED process seems like it really drags on for young men. I envy that Minnesota dude who got implanted at 20 and just packed it up and moved on with his life. Seems like he is doing well now

[merrix]

Exactly, that is the point where I am going with that it is more complicated for a young man than an adult, young people require more empathy.

Well, that's funny actually. You saying that.
Because you are in your twenties and that is as old as you have ever been in your life. So far. That is all you know.
I am in my forties. I remember my twenties as if it was last week and my thirties as it was yesterday.

Don't what "old" is to you. This is me and my wife.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6010&start=680#p139281
Are we old?

Is this old men's sex?
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8782&p=69223&hilit=tag+team#p69223

Anyway, funny it is you saying that things are more complicated for a young man than an adult, and that young people require more empathy.
I know all that you know about being in the twenties. Plus a lot about what comes next. By self experience.

Anyway, I have said on this forum a number of times that it is more complicated for a "young" dating man to be implanted than a 75 year old married for 40 years man.
But the difference between a 25 year old and a 45 year old is not huge. The similarities are larger. Dating is the key word. Age the secondary word.
If I would get divorced and start dating, I would find my implant a hell lot more troublesome than I do today.
As awkward as if I was 25?
Maybe.
If I was dating today, I would date women 30-45 I guess. And it is not like a woman at 35 goes home with a fit guy ten years older than her and expects him to have ED solved with an implant.
She wouldn't expect her lover to have ED anymore than a 20 year old girl would expect a 25 year old guy to have ED and an implant.
The difference lies rather in the social context a 20 year old and a 40 year old is operating in.
I was in University when I was 25. I was partying, socializing, dating and fucking within the same social network. If I was implanted at that age I would always have the anxiety that the girl I fucked would spread the nasty details to my whole social network. I would have become the freak everyone made jokes about.
That would be different at my current age. If I hooked up with a random woman in my home town, chances are she would not have any mutual friends with me. But even if she did, the word wouldn't spread like in campus.
The sex act itself would present just as much potential embarrassment though. Trust me.
The potential embarrassment issue is something I have discussed before. I would choose the offensive approach. Almost go for the pre-emptive strategy. Prevention is better than cure. If I was implanted in college, I would probably tell people. Unless I was going to live a life where nobody could find out of course. But if I was going to sleep around, particularly with girls in my closest social group, my "gang", then there is no frigging way that the news wouldn't get out. So instead then of being the poor little shy, embarrassed, sorry ass who tried to hide his plastic dick but failed - I would be the super lover who fucked girls left and right for hours with his robocop dick. I would be open and tell my friends before they found out. Even tell my female friends before they found out. Just give them some macho story about downhill skiing, motorcycles, wakeboarding, fighting for my life against two muggers, or whatever. And getting my dick smashed and ending up with a venous leak. Now fixed with an enhancement making me the super lover my friends could only dream about and my girlfriends getting curious about.
Easier said than done, but I am 100% sure this would be better.
Getting asked then by some random guy if "you are the guy with the plastic dick", I would rather stand tall and say "Yes, that's me. So you heard about that huh? Yeah, I had this bad down hill skiing accident and crashed so bad. Things had to get fixed. I am actually happy about it, the things I can do to a girl in bed now is something a natural dick could never even get close to. At first I thought it sucked, but now it's actually kind of cool to fuck girls to 5 orgasms and keep going all night long. Take care man."
You get my point. Not being the victim.

But to say you deserve more sympathy... I have had ED since I was a teenager, and have lived through exactly what you guys do, only for so much longer time than you. So I am not exactly having the feeling you deserve more sympathy or fragile treatment than others on here, including myself. Whatever story we have, someone else will always have suffered worse shit. So there is not much meaning in feeling sorry for oneself and expecting others to feel more sorry for me than for others. Everyone on here has suffered. A lot of the older guys you think are not that bad off have had multiple other crap happening to them. They have had cancer and other life-threatening shit happening to them.
So be a bit careful about bringing up the subject of who deserves more empathy.
This site is full of poor bastards who has suffered tremendously.

But, to round this off, none of this shit matters. It doesn't matter who has suffered more.
It doesn't matter what age you are.
The bottom line is still that any man being struck by ED can choose to stay with what he has, which will likely get worse, or do something.
The only thing there really is to do, except for pills and injections, is to get an implant.
No matter how sorry everybody should feel for a young guy, the reality is that he has to choose.
Keep what you have and enhance it with pills and injections.
Or get implanted.
We all know that sucks. It sucked for me too. Fuck damn it, it sucked. It sucked so bad.
But self-pity never got anyone anywhere in this world.

I am just trying to say it as it is.
It sucks to get ED.
It sucks to have an implant compared to having a big nice natural dick.
It sucks to be 22, 28, 35, 45, 52 or whatever fucking age and being caught by the woman you're about to fuck with plastic tubes in your dick and a plastic bulb in your scrotum.
But no matter how bad it sucks, that is what happened to us.
And now the ball is in your court.
Which play do you call?
Defence or offense?