FRANKTALK POLL / MALFUNCTION RATE 3 piece/ How long lasted your Implant AMS vs. Coloplast

[ScrewedbyDoctors]

Based on the post the implants last no more than 4 years, then why the Doctors say that the average implant life span is 10 years? Why will I spend more than $20000 in a device that probably will last 2 or 4 years based on this poll?, how many revisions will I need, 6 or 8?

[Gt1956]

Based on the post the implants last no more than 4 years, then why the Doctors say that the average implant life span is 10 years? Why will I spend more than $20000 in a device that probably will last 2 or 4 years based on this poll?, how many revisions will I need, 6 or 8?

You are seriously misunderstanding the results of the survey. If someone has a functioning implant at 4 years he'll check the 4 year box. This does NOT mean that his implant failed at 4 years.
The way it is worded, it better reflects how long a member has had his implant rather than the time to failure.
In my opinion, these type of questionnaires are poorly designed to produce the results that many presume them to produce.

[newbie443]

Based on the post the implants last no more than 4 years, then why the Doctors say that the average implant life span is 10 years? Why will I spend more than $20000 in a device that probably will last 2 or 4 years based on this poll?, how many revisions will I need, 6 or 8?

It s crazy how every doctor say, this thing last 10years plus and the reality is completely differnt. Yes everyone can say the happy mans are not at franktalk, but it seems this device isnt reliable.

I understand that this is a big decision to make and many of us were in a bad way as ED effected our whole life. I was on this board many years ago and if I could remember my old user name I am sure I would find some pretty strange stuff. I have been watching this for a while and am not one to argue or cause trouble in most cases. My goal is to help others and it has reached a point where I feel I need to reply and provide another opinion on this. Think about this a bit if you can see the difference between a small group who are on this board right now and the information doctors and device makers have of all men who are implanted. To say that the reality is a result you get from this biased group on FT with a very small number of participants as opposed to information from doctors and manufactures who have information on all men implanted is just totally unreasonable. I think the reality you indicate is false and I think that this is a bit harmful to others who read these posts and are considering implants. I believe that the information published by the top implant doctors in the world and device manufacturers is much more accurate than a poll on this web site. Fear is powerful thing and it can twist things all around for us. As I indicated I had this going on in my earlier username days and I can see it in others. This is difficult thing for many of us to deal with and why we are here. The reality is these devices last for most of us around 10 years. Some will be less and some will be more. I'm not able to find the publication but IIRC the results were 75% of men who made it to one year without problems would still have a working device at 10 years. But it fell off quickly after that. The only study that I find now with a web search is this one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31501062/

Again I know this is a difficult decision to make as I fought with it also. This reply by me was delayed as I did not want to appear to be attacking anyone. My only intention is to help others that might read this. I am not trying to convince anyone. Just giving another side of this and asking men to do research.

Best of luck to everyone with this.

[Gt1956]

Newbie443, I think your insight is valid. Having read a very large percent of the threads that predated my joining FT. I have noticed that the membership has changed thus perspectives are a bit different.
The membership has more young members & European members.
The younger members don't see ED in their age group friends thus seem to be a little more skeptical of what "old men" are saying. After all, most younger people can't fathom that their parents/grandparents are having sex. Didn't we all think we knew more than our parents & that they didn't understand what the youth are going through? Case in point. Many young people are freaking out about the higher house mortage rates. I think around 7% now. Our first house in 1977 was at 9%. Younger people that I talk to seem to think that 7% is some kind of record high. With age comes the vision of having seen a lot.
My late father in law had an implant. I've read of other members saying that they had a family member that had an implant. Maybe for some us, we've had 30 years to get accustomed to implants. Some us bring that knowledge to the forum.
Having relatives in a northern European country that speak relatively decent American. I say that because we (USA) use our common language differently that what is spoken in many parts of the world. It is apparent that many members are using language translation software to read & post on FT. I often wonder how well some of the translation software it. Lost in translation is a real thing.
Points for folks to ponder.

[newbie443]

Newbie443, I think your insight is valid. Having read a very large percent of the threads that predated my joining FT. I have noticed that the membership has changed thus perspectives are a bit different.
The membership has more young members & European members.
The younger members don't see ED in their age group friends thus seem to be a little more skeptical of what "old men" are saying. After all, most younger people can't fathom that their parents/grandparents are having sex. Didn't we all think we knew more than our parents & that they didn't understand what the youth are going through? Case in point. Many young people are freaking out about the higher house mortage rates. I think around 7% now. Our first house in 1977 was at 9%. Younger people that I talk to seem to think that 7% is some kind of record high. With age comes the vision of having seen a lot.
My late father in law had an implant. I've read of other members saying that they had a family member that had an implant. Maybe for some us, we've had 30 years to get accustomed to implants. Some us bring that knowledge to the forum.
Having relatives in a northern European country that speak relatively decent American. I say that because we (USA) use our common language differently that what is spoken in many parts of the world. It is apparent that many members are using language translation software to read & post on FT. I often wonder how well some of the translation software it. Lost in translation is a real thing.
Points for folks to ponder.

My intent was that many of us had or have this fear and embarrassment of ED and implants or other treatment and that emotion tends to effect our posts and questions. It effects our whole life. I had a remarkable turnaround in my life when I finally decided to get an implant. Before that I was asking all kinds or strange questions that we see on this site. It is like I was looking for a reason not to have the surgery no matter how irrational it was. These emotions are powerful and effect all ages but as you point out they may be more difficult or younger men who have been knocked to the ground had to get up less times than some of us older men. But that does not matter. We are here to help each other. Many helped me when I was going through this and I am just trying to pay back some of that help.

The point here is that there are many publications with documentation on the life span of penile implants. Not a problem if one member is having trouble with deciding to have an implant and does not want to believe the published data as a reason not to have the surgery. That is his choice and to make. But when that gets to the point that some misinformed or biased poll is used to influence other members that implants only last a few years I wanted speak out. This is a difficult decision and many of us make all kinds or excuses to put it off. But we need accurate information. I waited because I wasn't sure how to post in a way that would be helpful and not cause bad feelings. I want to express to the OP and others that I felt the same emotions as they are and most likely posted some pretty strange stuff because of it. And to say please keep posting. This is the place for us to come to with these feelings and emotions.

By the way I remember 10 and 12% mortgage rates and 20-30% credit card rates in the 80's.

[Fourtytwo00]

People look at FT because doctors doctors and manufacturers have a conflict of interest and because actually there long term studies have their problems with survivorship bias and compliance.

Let's say they find 100 people who get surgery 10 years ago. They try to contact them and just 30 show up. Then all the conclusions are drawn from that smaller sample. Nice but not high quality / hard data.

Btw I think the question could have been better formulated. Ex. :
How long did your FIRST implant lasted?
0-2
3-6
6-9
10+
Still using it since 0-3
Still using it since 4-6
Still using it since 7+

Just my humble opinion

[frank66665]

People look at FT because doctors doctors and manufacturers have a conflict of interest and because actually there long term studies have their problems with survivorship bias and compliance.

Let's say they find 100 people who get surgery 10 years ago. They try to contact them and just 30 show up. Then all the conclusions are drawn from that smaller sample. Nice but not high quality / hard data.

Btw I think the question could have been better formulated. Ex. :
How long did your FIRST implant lasted?
0-2
3-6
6-9
10+
Still using it since 0-3
Still using it since 4-6
Still using it since 7+

Just my humble opinion

I agree, I had also given this suggestion at the beginning of the post but it was not understood, it would have been more complete since on FT there are most of the implants for no more than 4 years

[slipnslider]

I'm in the same headspace.

I want an implant, but then I read this site and even the guys who are happy with theirs have revisions every few years. In their signatures there are plenty of guys who list 3+ surgeries.

A terrifying amount seem to have failures within the first couple years or even months.

And terrifyingly few reports of "I got it installed and it worked flawessly for 10 years."

Not sure how the devices are supposed to last an average of 10 years when I haven't seen a single report of one lasting that long.

I dont trust the company's own stats about their device. They have every reason to lie. Just like the hairloss drug that I took said it only caused impotence in 1% of users, when in reality its much higher. Corporations lie to make more money.

[España1980]

Very interesting this survey.gives a lot to think about

[newbie443]

People look at FT because doctors doctors and manufacturers have a conflict of interest and because actually there long term studies have their problems with survivorship bias and compliance.

Let's say they find 100 people who get surgery 10 years ago. They try to contact them and just 30 show up. Then all the conclusions are drawn from that smaller sample. Nice but not high quality / hard data.

Btw I think the question could have been better formulated. Ex. :
How long did your FIRST implant lasted?
0-2
3-6
6-9
10+
Still using it since 0-3
Still using it since 4-6
Still using it since 7+

Just my humble opinion

People look at FT because doctors doctors and manufacturers have a conflict of interest and because actually there long term studies have their problems with survivorship bias and compliance.

Let's say they find 100 people who get surgery 10 years ago. They try to contact them and just 30 show up. Then all the conclusions are drawn from that smaller sample. Nice but not high quality / hard data.

Btw I think the question could have been better formulated. Ex. :
How long did your FIRST implant lasted?
0-2
3-6
6-9
10+
Still using it since 0-3
Still using it since 4-6
Still using it since 7+

Just my humble opinion

I agree, I had also given this suggestion at the beginning of the post but it was not understood, it would have been more complete since on FT there are most of the implants for no more than 4 years

I'm in the same headspace.

I want an implant, but then I read this site and even the guys who are happy with theirs have revisions every few years. In their signatures there are plenty of guys who list 3+ surgeries.

A terrifying amount seem to have failures within the first couple years or even months.

And terrifyingly few reports of "I got it installed and it worked flawessly for 10 years."

Not sure how the devices are supposed to last an average of 10 years when I haven't seen a single report of one lasting that long.

I dont trust the company's own stats about their device. They have every reason to lie. Just like the hairloss drug that I took said it only caused impotence in 1% of users, when in reality its much higher. Corporations lie to make more money.

Re: FRANKTALK POLL / MALFUNCTION RATE 3 piece/ How long lasted your Implant AMS vs. Coloplast
Post by España1980 » Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:16 pm

This is what I have tried to address in my posts. I did not address the selection of questions in this poll for a reason. It could have been better but that is not the problem. The problem is that many men come to FT because of problems. And that the members of FT represent a very small number of men who get penile implants. So that makes this group highly biased. As noted a doctor who did 100 implants 10 years ago contacts his men to do a study on long-term implant life. Now if this poll was for men on FT who had been implanted 10 or more years ago for the first time what would be the number of qualified replies? But even that would not make this good information for us to draw from. As this site is highly biased with men who come here with problems. The published information from doctors and device manufactures will be more accurate as they are not limited to FT members only. This is why this is bad information and why it can be harmful to other men who are looking for accurate information. The men who have great results rarely post on this site and stay for 10 plus years. To use this poll information as a creditable source to decide implant surgery is just irrational.

There are a lot of things that are possible. But in this case something that is possible has been falsely made to look probable. The studies of men with IPP's show most will last 10 years. Some longer and some shorter.