Why not just get a malleable implant

[on the road of life]

It seems the failure rate for these inflatables is high, not only are they more expensive, but the problem is always the tubing, the pump, that's what fails, is not the actual implant probably and that's the problem with these devices.

You would think they'd design something that is pretty much indestructible considering is inside the body, so if it develops a leak, you have to be opened up, pay again and go through the same crap again? That's horrible.

That works for the surgeons tho, more money for them and that's why they prefer these implants. They're not permanent they have an expiration date, they're more likely to fail. If it fails, it should be replaced for free, because 9 out of 10 is the surgeons fault.

Its akin to hair transplants, is not actually permanent, eventually you'll need more transplants, which is why the hair transplant industry is so huge, imagine if hair cloning came along? It'd be the end for them.

Wouldn't a malleable implant be a better option then? It will probably outlast all these inflatables, it may even last your lifetime

These surgeries are very expensive and they don't even last a lifetime, they quote 10 to 15 years if lucky? No way

The failure happens because of the desire of wanting to have a regular penis that goes hard and flaccid.

If I got these inflatable implants someday, I'd be afraid all the time that on day is going to fail.

This is the only thing that is holding me back and waiting to see what 2023 has for ED. These companies make these devices at low cost and then sell them for thousands just like smart phones. Men just are desperate because they have no other choice than to completely destroy whay is left of their corpus cavernosum. Ill probably get one since their is no other choice
What bugs me is that it is the same penile prosthesis from the 1970s and it is 2023 and now they are working on Bluetooth prosthesis.
Why is so hard to make and battery operated device that pushes blood and restraints it just like the Potency Flow? They can even make a new corpus cavernosum.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 017-1582-2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5312219/
The reality is that don't really want to cure ED since they make loooots of money out of it. Please don't get upset with me. It's just an opinion.

Hi

If it is sometimes frustrating to see how something that has an apparently simple solution, if we talk about plumbing, or transport of liquids through pipes, it is not possible to apply it to the human body.

Regarding the technology, I think it still lacks a bit of maturity and to solve some inconveniences.

Today it appears that there is no safe battery technology that can be placed intracorporeally (with the power to drive a pump head generating 22 pounds of pressure), without involving great risk of explosion, corrosion, or contamination by chemicals dangerous to life.
Intervening the flow of an artery, today is done passively, with the use of stents in selected cases in the arteries of the penis, when the flow is low, with variable results.
Doing it actively, with some electro-mechanical device, is already something much more complex, in order to maintain laminar flow, avoid coagulation and counter-pressure towards the heart, which I am sure none of us want to damage.
In my case, my corpus cavernosum was perfect, studied with Doppler, I had no problem, my problem was basically venous. So a replacement of my corpus cavernosum probably wouldn't have been beneficial.
ED is multifactorial, I believe that science and biomedical engineering have not stopped looking for a solution, I believe that not everything is a conspiracy

regards

[Rufian]

We're not going to see anything better in our lifetime even for us in our 30s, for the older guys not even

Its true industries profit from people's issues, one of them, for example, is hair loss, there is a huge industry that profit from men's insecurities

Another one is related to fitness and muscles, pretty much all those fitness models and muscular actors people look up to are on steroids.

These inflatable implants are not a good deal at all

They're very expensive 15-25k unless you have great insurance, for many, they'll have to get in debt

Where is this money coming from? This is a simple piece of silicone, tubes, pump. Its nothing special. You're paying for the surgeon's Porsche, vacations, luxury house, etc These type of silicones already exist in plastic surgery. For example, many years I got a chin implant while I was getting a nose job. I wanted to look more masculine, its been 15 years no issues, is permanent, same applies to many other implants. I only paid like $2000

They don't last very long, I mean they tell you 10 years on average? That's not very promising, one year goes by very quickly. If you're gonna get this done better save for when you're in your 50-60s so you get 2 surgeries and then retire your penis

I'm 38, if I get this at 40, I'd have to get another 2 revisions assuming the previous ones last 10 years? they may not

If it fails and you need a revision, you'll still going have to pay thousands of dollars

Its the only option we have at this point, if you don't mind but the odds are not good, but hell if sex is very important is the only option after everything else has failed

[principles]

Although statiscally one could point to papers and say that the longevity of an inflatable prosthesis tend to be on average greater than X years, let's say 10, anecdotally, after I experienced a failure only 2 years after my initial surgery, I must say I'm less confident about having an inflatable device at this point. I might be continuously skeptical about it's longevity going forward to the point it may affect me psychologically, that slight nagging concern of a potential failure might weight heavily overtime.

That said, I have proposed myself an out. As per signature, if current inflatable fails before 2025, I'll opt for a malleable implant. By doing this, I accept the possibility of a failure going forward and a decision at this point has already been made, which does provide relief from the constant worry of a potential failure. Of course, come 2025 and I do have another failure, I'll revisit all the potential outcomes for both malleables and inflatables and make a final decision then.

In my view, currently, I'm very curious about the malleable experience but there are two major considerations:

1) Statiscally significant numbers of extrusion over a period of 10 years, it varies from paper to paper and I don't even remember it that well neither can cite a specific paper, but let's again assume 10% chance of extrusion at 10 year mark. That is a high number, and the idea of an extrusion doesn't sit well at all with me.

2) Concealability. It's the biggest issue for some people and a non issue for others. It's a huge issue for me personally, specifically due to the nature of my profession and work attire, I always wear a tucked in shirt and my penile size compounds the problem.
In short, if you embrace the risk of 1 and can work around 2 without sacrifice to your personal and professional life, I'd strongly suggest looking into getting a malleable instead of the inflatable.

As far as the major positives for the malleable:

1)Chance of mechanical failure is nil. Thus, chances of revision are much lower, so is the chance of infection over a lifetime.

2)You have nothing on your balls to give out your implant. If you are young/single, this could be a major one. You don't have to keep the other person away for your balls. My experience is that I have had to keep girls from potentially touching my balls and eventually feeling a strange body in there by redirecting the hand/attention to something else when they started going in that direction.

3)It will work everytime, pull it out of your pants and go fuck.

4)Recovery is much much faster than going through an inflatable implant procedure. Even if you do need a revision, chances are it'll be much easier to recover from it.

5)Smaller chance of a medical fuckup during implantation, there's very little to setup. Cut, open, insert, close. Done. No tubing or reservoir or pump placement mishaps that would make you have to go through yet another surgery if you did have an issue with an inflatable implantation.


On the topic of revisions due to failures, infection, medical error, etc, a major thing I've seen few people comment are the side effects of a having to go through such a procedure. There are several, and besides the obvious and major issue of suddenly becoming impotent again and having to abstain from sex for months, you still have to consider the impact it will have on your mental health due to all the following issues you'll have on your personal and professional life as:

1) Being impotent again. You won't be able to please your partner as you did in the past for a long while.

2) Having to reschedule the next 1-3 months of your personal and professional life as in potentially taking a leave from work and/or getting away from most of your family while you're healing.

3) Having to sit and wait for your insurance provider's approval for the revision.

4) Having to sit and wait for your doctor's availability.

5) Concerning yourself with all the potential outcomes like a bad installation, doubled risk of infection, healing process.

6) Concerning yourself with another early potential failure or having an infection on the next revision.

7) Going through the uncomfortable month of recovery following the revision. Antecipating, planning and worrying about and throughout this period.

8) If you are not insured, or partially insured and are not financially prepared to pay for the expense of the procedure and for the expenses related to taking a month's leave from work, the financial stress can also be devasting.

In short, revisions are a nightmare not only for the obvious reason of suddenly having a limp dick but also the havoc it will cause in your personal, professional and potentially financial life for the next 2-3 months IF everything works out perfectly, that is. If you need a revision from your revision, fuck, you'll pull through but you'll have to endure even longer.

Anyway, this was a long rant. I find myself wanting and becoming biased towards malleables, the simplicity is extremely attractive. as of right now, the concealment aspect of it is what prevented me from getting it after my Titan failed. Next time though, I'd like to think I'll take the chance and experiment with it.

[Anfornee]

There are a lot of great arguments here and I’m glad I read through everything to get a different perspective than what I already have.

I had a titan implanted on 9/12/22. I didn’t like the placement of the tubes, and in my opinion the bulb hung way too low, making it very obvious. I could feel the tubes protruding at the base of my penis, and I could feel the tube coming from the reservoir. It pumped up very well, and in the time I had it, I was able to use it successfully a few times. It did take roughly 15 pumps to get it rockhard, but as most guys do, I already had it pre-loaded about halfway when I knew I was going to get laid. It is kind of nice to be a shower instead of a grower. I did have issues hiding it even in the flaccid state, but from what I understand over time, it becomes easier to conceal.

I developed an infection about three weeks in and had to have a revision in order to clear out the infection. The surgeon implanted a genesis malleable unit. He did this to save size and prevent scarring from taking out the inflatable unit. From what I understand this is common in this situation. Unfortunately, the surgeon improperly implanted the left rod, and it was not in the corporal body in the proximal part of the penis. This caused it to be unstable and uncomfortable.

I went to Dr. Hakky in Atlanta and he did revision number three on Monday of last week. He was able to fix everything and replaced the left rod. Overall, due to the issues with the surgery and the infection, the rods that were fitted or shorter than the inflatable titan tubes. I feel like I’ve lost roughly an inch from 7 inches to 6 inches in length and possibly about a half inch of girth.

Having said all this, I am a fan of the malleable for several reasons. It is far easier to go to the erect state than it was with the inflatable. It is literally rock-hard stiff like when I used to get spontaneous erections when I was 18 years old. I know it will never fail. I have absolutely no discomfort anywhere and I’m only a week out from the surgery. I know part of this is the device but the other part is the absolute surgical excellence that you can expect from Dr. Hakky. I am currently on a four week time out from playing due to the three revisions in three months and the infection that I had. We are being very conservative.

So the pros are
1 - almost no chance of a mechanical failure.
2 – it’s simple to use when you’re ready. Just straighten it out. When you’re done fold it back down
3 – it is very stiff. When I got to use the second one before it had to be fixed, I had absolutely no problem with penetration of any kind.
4 – it looks very natural. There’s no tubes or bulbs or reservoirs.
5 – as far as size loss I only experience size loss due to the improper placement and the infection. Once the infection is completely cleared out, I have the choice of getting larger malleables put in or going back to a titan. I’ll be able to recover a good portion of my size either way.
6 – the recovery for the malleable has definitely been amazing. Compared to the inflatable. There’s no arbitrary pain out of nowhere. There’s no pain from where the tubes were. In general, it’s been an amazing recovery, far better than a titan recovery.

As far as cons with the malleable, here’s what I have
1 – stowing it is definitely more difficult as far as conceal ability. Even with my size loss I’m still at 6 inches in length and just under 6 inches and girth. With the tighten I only get 90° of flex. If you go, this route and you have a penis over 5 inches I believe you’re gonna have a challenge wearing the same clothes you did before. There is definitely a pretty big dick print in my normal size pants. I have some pants from when I was slightly heavier, in the slacks to do a pretty good job of hiding it. But I notice it since I already see it and know what’s going on down there.
2 – if you get the inflatable, you have a better chance of keeping your length and girth through constant cycling and the exercises. Several guys have even added just a little bit of size. Other than those two things I’m really not sure that there is a huge positive for going for an inflatable over a malleable.

Ultimately, what is your goal? If it’s to have a working penis and not have to worry about a damn thing other than having sex when you want to, both or a decent option. If you want to have a working penis and not have to worry about a revision anywhere from 2 to 15 years, it seems like the malleable would be a good choice. If you’re number one concern is size and only size then the inflatable may be better for you because it does offer a better chance of you keeping your exact size or possibly adding just a little bit of size. I think if you choose a world-class surgeon, either one will give you very positive results.

I think another big part of this is are you in a committed relationship or are you gonna be having sex with a bunch of different people. If you’re in a committed relationship I think your partner will think that what matters most is the fact that you can get an erection on demand and last as long as you want. I think you should be honest with your partner, and have them be part of the decision making with what device you get.

If you’re single, you still have the benefit of erections on demand, and lasting like a rockstar. But conceal ability may be the most important factor. From experience, I can tell you that is far easier. Just a straight out your erection, then pumping it up, but I literally didn’t have a problem with either. I have several sexual partners two of them know, and the others don’t and none of them care. I’m 53 and the youngest girl I’m with is 37 and the oldest is 52. They are all very happy with the fact that getting an erection is not a problem and lasting as long as I need to is a given. Even with the loss in size they all seem to be happy although they won’t be for the next four weeks while I’m on punishment.

This is a lot longer than I figured it would be so I apologize. But I’ll answer any questions if anyone has any questions.

[1380anthony]

It seems the failure rate for these inflatables is high, not only are they more expensive, but the problem is always the tubing, the pump, that's what fails, is not the actual implant probably and that's the problem with these devices.

You would think they'd design something that is pretty much indestructible considering is inside the body, so if it develops a leak, you have to be opened up, pay again and go through the same crap again? That's horrible.

That works for the surgeons tho, more money for them and that's why they prefer these implants. They're not permanent they have an expiration date, they're more likely to fail. If it fails, it should be replaced for free, because 9 out of 10 is the surgeons fault.

Its akin to hair transplants, is not actually permanent, eventually you'll need more transplants, which is why the hair transplant industry is so huge, imagine if hair cloning came along? It'd be the end for them.

Wouldn't a malleable implant be a better option then? It will probably outlast all these inflatables, it may even last your lifetime

These surgeries are very expensive and they don't even last a lifetime, they quote 10 to 15 years if lucky? No way

The failure happens because of the desire of wanting to have a regular penis that goes hard and flaccid.

If I got these inflatable implants someday, I'd be afraid all the time that on day is going to fail.

This is the only thing that is holding me back and waiting to see what 2023 has for ED. These companies make these devices at low cost and then sell them for thousands just like smart phones. Men just are desperate because they have no other choice than to completely destroy whay is left of their corpus cavernosum. Ill probably get one since their is no other choice
What bugs me is that it is the same penile prosthesis from the 1970s and it is 2023 and now they are working on Bluetooth prosthesis.
Why is so hard to make and battery operated device that pushes blood and restraints it just like the Potency Flow? They can even make a new corpus cavernosum.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 017-1582-2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5312219/
The reality is that don't really want to cure ED since they make loooots of money out of it. Please don't get upset with me. It's just an opinion.

Hi

If it is sometimes frustrating to see how something that has an apparently simple solution, if we talk about plumbing, or transport of liquids through pipes, it is not possible to apply it to the human body.

Regarding the technology, I think it still lacks a bit of maturity and to solve some inconveniences.

Today it appears that there is no safe battery technology that can be placed intracorporeally (with the power to drive a pump head generating 22 pounds of pressure), without involving great risk of explosion, corrosion, or contamination by chemicals dangerous to life.
Intervening the flow of an artery, today is done passively, with the use of stents in selected cases in the arteries of the penis, when the flow is low, with variable results.
Doing it actively, with some electro-mechanical device, is already something much more complex, in order to maintain laminar flow, avoid coagulation and counter-pressure towards the heart, which I am sure none of us want to damage.
In my case, my corpus cavernosum was perfect, studied with Doppler, I had no problem, my problem was basically venous. So a replacement of my corpus cavernosum probably wouldn't have been beneficial.
ED is multifactorial, I believe that science and biomedical engineering have not stopped looking for a solution, I believe that not everything is a conspiracy

regards

True, but Curiosity Rover have been battery operated since 2011 and landed on Mars August 2012 and it still works, no corrosion, explosion etc. We dont need a battery, but rather regenerate the smooth muscle cells or a pump that pushes blood and keeps it in rather than displacing the corpus cavernosum when it still has some fuction. Somthing like this..

I have mild corporal fibrosis due to Propecia for hair loss, I even lost libido.

[principles]

I'm surprised at the quality of information we're getting from this thread. Pretty cool.

If I were a reductionist, I would state the following:

An inflatable device, if perfectly installed and while normally functioning, is ideal for a married male or a male whose top priorities include concealment of the device during regular daily activities, as long as the device's lifespan is within 2 years of the average lifespan of an inflatable device according to the statistics published by current journals, assuming those numbers are truthful.

For all other scenarios, consider a malleable.

[1day2Bbionic]

Anfornee

So does it feel as full as having a natural erection? I would think at times that would be too much to deal with. I guess the size and pressure of living with a full erection 24/7 would be alot to deal with but thats why Im asking. My biggest worry is concealability, I work in jeans every day and just dont know if it would be too much. Also, sent you a PM

[smphead]

There are a lot of great arguments here and I’m glad I read through everything to get a different perspective than what I already have.

I had a titan implanted on 9/12/22. I didn’t like the placement of the tubes, and in my opinion the bulb hung way too low, making it very obvious. I could feel the tubes protruding at the base of my penis, and I could feel the tube coming from the reservoir. It pumped up very well, and in the time I had it, I was able to use it successfully a few times. It did take roughly 15 pumps to get it rockhard, but as most guys do, I already had it pre-loaded about halfway when I knew I was going to get laid. It is kind of nice to be a shower instead of a grower. I did have issues hiding it even in the flaccid state, but from what I understand over time, it becomes easier to conceal.

I developed an infection about three weeks in and had to have a revision in order to clear out the infection. The surgeon implanted a genesis malleable unit. He did this to save size and prevent scarring from taking out the inflatable unit. From what I understand this is common in this situation. Unfortunately, the surgeon improperly implanted the left rod, and it was not in the corporal body in the proximal part of the penis. This caused it to be unstable and uncomfortable.

I went to Dr. Hakky in Atlanta and he did revision number three on Monday of last week. He was able to fix everything and replaced the left rod. Overall, due to the issues with the surgery and the infection, the rods that were fitted or shorter than the inflatable titan tubes. I feel like I’ve lost roughly an inch from 7 inches to 6 inches in length and possibly about a half inch of girth.

Having said all this, I am a fan of the malleable for several reasons. It is far easier to go to the erect state than it was with the inflatable. It is literally rock-hard stiff like when I used to get spontaneous erections when I was 18 years old. I know it will never fail. I have absolutely no discomfort anywhere and I’m only a week out from the surgery. I know part of this is the device but the other part is the absolute surgical excellence that you can expect from Dr. Hakky. I am currently on a four week time out from playing due to the three revisions in three months and the infection that I had. We are being very conservative.

So the pros are
1 - almost no chance of a mechanical failure.
2 – it’s simple to use when you’re ready. Just straighten it out. When you’re done fold it back down
3 – it is very stiff. When I got to use the second one before it had to be fixed, I had absolutely no problem with penetration of any kind.
4 – it looks very natural. There’s no tubes or bulbs or reservoirs.
5 – as far as size loss I only experience size loss due to the improper placement and the infection. Once the infection is completely cleared out, I have the choice of getting larger malleables put in or going back to a titan. I’ll be able to recover a good portion of my size either way.
6 – the recovery for the malleable has definitely been amazing. Compared to the inflatable. There’s no arbitrary pain out of nowhere. There’s no pain from where the tubes were. In general, it’s been an amazing recovery, far better than a titan recovery.

As far as cons with the malleable, here’s what I have
1 – stowing it is definitely more difficult as far as conceal ability. Even with my size loss I’m still at 6 inches in length and just under 6 inches and girth. With the tighten I only get 90° of flex. If you go, this route and you have a penis over 5 inches I believe you’re gonna have a challenge wearing the same clothes you did before. There is definitely a pretty big dick print in my normal size pants. I have some pants from when I was slightly heavier, in the slacks to do a pretty good job of hiding it. But I notice it since I already see it and know what’s going on down there.
2 – if you get the inflatable, you have a better chance of keeping your length and girth through constant cycling and the exercises. Several guys have even added just a little bit of size. Other than those two things I’m really not sure that there is a huge positive for going for an inflatable over a malleable.

Ultimately, what is your goal? If it’s to have a working penis and not have to worry about a damn thing other than having sex when you want to, both or a decent option. If you want to have a working penis and not have to worry about a revision anywhere from 2 to 15 years, it seems like the malleable would be a good choice. If you’re number one concern is size and only size then the inflatable may be better for you because it does offer a better chance of you keeping your exact size or possibly adding just a little bit of size. I think if you choose a world-class surgeon, either one will give you very positive results.

I think another big part of this is are you in a committed relationship or are you gonna be having sex with a bunch of different people. If you’re in a committed relationship I think your partner will think that what matters most is the fact that you can get an erection on demand and last as long as you want. I think you should be honest with your partner, and have them be part of the decision making with what device you get.

If you’re single, you still have the benefit of erections on demand, and lasting like a rockstar. But conceal ability may be the most important factor. From experience, I can tell you that is far easier. Just a straight out your erection, then pumping it up, but I literally didn’t have a problem with either. I have several sexual partners two of them know, and the others don’t and none of them care. I’m 53 and the youngest girl I’m with is 37 and the oldest is 52. They are all very happy with the fact that getting an erection is not a problem and lasting as long as I need to is a given. Even with the loss in size they all seem to be happy although they won’t be for the next four weeks while I’m on punishment.

This is a lot longer than I figured it would be so I apologize. But I’ll answer any questions if anyone has any questions.

Can you wear the same jeans with a malleble as with an inflatable?

[Anfornee]

With the previous malleable that was installed incorrectly there was no way I could wear jeans or at least the jeans I had previous to the operation. The main reason is that in the bent down position, my penis was very sensitive due to the surgery. Wearing a pair of jeans that was tight would rub against my penis and it would be painful. The sensitivity did get better over the couple of weeks. I had it and it was easier to wear pants with tighter underwear. But I never got a chance to put my old jeans on before I got this new operation last Monday. If you’re looking at wearing skinny jeans , that’s probably not gonna happen. And also dependent on the size of your penis now. I think if you’re 6 inches or over you’re gonna have a hard time wearing tight pants at all. If you can wait a couple of weeks I have no problem posting pics with jeans on as long as the sensitivity isn’t too bad.

[Rufian]

With the previous malleable that was installed incorrectly there was no way I could wear jeans or at least the jeans I had previous to the operation. The main reason is that in the bent down position, my penis was very sensitive due to the surgery. Wearing a pair of jeans that was tight would rub against my penis and it would be painful. The sensitivity did get better over the couple of weeks. I had it and it was easier to wear pants with tighter underwear. But I never got a chance to put my old jeans on before I got this new operation last Monday. If you’re looking at wearing skinny jeans , that’s probably not gonna happen. And also dependent on the size of your penis now. I think if you’re 6 inches or over you’re gonna have a hard time wearing tight pants at all. If you can wait a couple of weeks I have no problem posting pics with jeans on as long as the sensitivity isn’t too bad.

I have yet to see a video of a malleable implant being used bent down and erected or photos really. I googled and couldn't find anything.

I'm about 6 inches length on my best erection, maybe 5.9 on most. My girth tho is 5.75" and 5.9 at base

The viagra still works for me so far. I think my issue is porn addiction, but I'm going to get a doppler to check for physical issues.

I'm just doing research in case I need this one day. I'm only 38 now.

The idea of having to pay 15-20k every 10 years assuming it even lasts that long? but the stories of failure after 2 years or even months is not very encouraging

It seems the malleable is the best option for a guy who simply doesn't care what others think. I thought it was good for men to have a big bulge no?

Why are people so worried about having a bulge? who cares what others think

What's more important having erections and a long lasting implant or what other people think?

The malleable implant is a one piece implant that can be bend like 100,000 times without mechanical failure

past the first few weeks, the chances of infection pretty much down to almost zero, it becomes a part of the body as is silicone

now as long as you have an implant, the chance of infection will always be there but is very low like 1 to 5%. I have a chin implant made of silicone, never had any issues

i read stories of old men who had penile implants many years ago and they still have to their grave, im sure those are malleable as that was the most popular one back decades ago