Eid vs. Clavell?

[younggun1]

Hey guys,

31 year old here with weak erections. I've consulted with both Dr. Eid and Dr. Clavell regarding a potential implant.

Any thoughts on who to go with? I have an in-person with Eid next week and have met with Clavell in-person and online as well.

I like that Eid has so much experience and has seen it all over 20+ years. I mentioned to him that I met with Dr. Clavell too and Eid said he's seen some of his implants and that they were pretty good but that Clavell and other doctors don't always hide the tubing great. Eid also said he has had patients who have been married 15+ years and their partner doesn't know they have an implant. He mentioned as a young guy I will want a great aesthetic result and the ability for the girl not to notice even when giving oral or something like that.

Clavell was more like you should want people to know you have this because of the performance but I would rather have the option of not divulging everything, should I choose.

As a young guy who is dating girls in their 20s-30s, the option for stealth is important to me. I may end up telling eventual partners but I at least want the option to not tell or at least say that I had an injury down there that I had surgery on and not divulge the full implant.

Clavell patients, do you feel like your implants are hidden well?

Anybody else have an opinion on who I should go with? Obviously both should give me a satisfactory result and not trying to cause some sort of rivalry here but curious on thoughts.

Eid seems very detailed on his approach and while Clavell has been great in consultation as well, he is a bit less experienced overall and seemed less detailed than Eid although I'm sure I'd be pretty satisfied in either case. Eid also mentioned he takes care to set the tubing properly since that is the item that breaks most often when rubbed together in implants.

I still have to see if one or the other would be covered via insurance but that aside..

What do you guys think? Would there be a big difference based on surgeon?

[Hillywilly]

I went with Hakky and have been exclusively with girls in their 20's since the implant and none of them have noticed or if they did they didn't say anything.

If I were in your shoes I would choose EID because I know one guy that went with Clavell and didn't have a great result and now needs a revision.

[younggun1]

I went with Hakky and have been exclusively with girls in their 20's since the implant and none of them have noticed or if they did they didn't say anything.

If I were in your shoes I would choose EID because I know one guy that went with Clavell and didn't have a great result and now needs a revision.

Great, love to hear that. Have you had girls want to hook up again after? And is your confidence back?

I used to be a confident mfer lol.

Can't wait to get back to semi-normal with my dating life.

[newbie443]

Hey guys,

31 year old here with weak erections. I've consulted with both Dr. Eid and Dr. Clavell regarding a potential implant.

Any thoughts on who to go with? I have an in-person with Eid next week and have met with Clavell in-person and online as well.

I like that Eid has so much experience and has seen it all over 20+ years. I mentioned to him that I met with Dr. Clavell too and Eid said he's seen some of his implants and that they were pretty good but that Clavell and other doctors don't always hide the tubing great. Eid also said he has had patients who have been married 15+ years and their partner doesn't know they have an implant. He mentioned as a young guy I will want a great aesthetic result and the ability for the girl not to notice even when giving oral or something like that.

Clavell was more like you should want people to know you have this because of the performance but I would rather have the option of not divulging everything, should I choose.

As a young guy who is dating girls in their 20s-30s, the option for stealth is important to me. I may end up telling eventual partners but I at least want the option to not tell or at least say that I had an injury down there that I had surgery on and not divulge the full implant.

Clavell patients, do you feel like your implants are hidden well?

Anybody else have an opinion on who I should go with? Obviously both should give me a satisfactory result and not trying to cause some sort of rivalry here but curious on thoughts.

Eid seems very detailed on his approach and while Clavell has been great in consultation as well, he is a bit less experienced overall and seemed less detailed than Eid although I'm sure I'd be pretty satisfied in either case. Eid also mentioned he takes care to set the tubing properly since that is the item that breaks most often when rubbed together in implants.

I still have to see if one or the other would be covered via insurance but that aside..

What do you guys think? Would there be a big difference based on surgeon?

I would give a lot of weight to someone who is close to you. Even the best doctors in the world have revision rates they are just lower than the others. Eid by far to me was the better doctor. He activates very early and that has been shown to relate to less size loss from surgery. Clavell is a 6 week wait for activation. Eid will trim the hard tips of the cylinders to make a perfect fit and avoid RTE's as much as possible. But Eid is pretty old and had some time off with health issues this year.

The thing is that several well-known doctors told me this surgery can be done by any surgeon. What you get by going to the really good doctors are lower chances of infection and reoperations from other issues. But they can still happen. Many of the best also have cosmetic surgery in their services or even business name. That is because there is also a cosmetic element to this. Many low volume doctors are not concerned about cosmetics, and many do not do revisions.

Like I said I always say to try to find a really good doctor close to you first. To me the local care is worth a lot. But if you do not have a very good doctor close to you and you must travel for this then again, I would place travel time into this. Lots of other really great doctors out there from all over the US.

Insurance has been a problem to others on this board in the past. Chances are much better if you work for a government agency. Call your insurance or go on line for a copy of your policy and look for an exclusion for penile implants.

[Hillywilly]

I went with Hakky and have been exclusively with girls in their 20's since the implant and none of them have noticed or if they did they didn't say anything.

If I were in your shoes I would choose EID because I know one guy that went with Clavell and didn't have a great result and now needs a revision.

Great, love to hear that. Have you had girls want to hook up again after? And is your confidence back?

I used to be a confident mfer lol. y

Can't wait to get back to semi-normal with my dating life.

Yep, they keep coming back for more. Confidence is high the only thing is I have a dent from my HA filler that I wish I could get fixed but hasn't been a problem for any of the women so it's more of a vanity issue that I can't afford to correct at the moment. I'll just wait to fix it until I have enough disposable income or the filler wears off. If you want video's of the implant in action check out Mick Blue's twitter page. He's implanted.

[silver daddy 1960]

I went with Eid, really a no brainer living in NYC, but I must say my recovery was incredibly easy (dare I say virtually painless) lots of ice first three days. On day three after cath was removed I started cycling and by week three given the green light for sex. I did a very light JO season on day 5 to wonderful results. I also kept my size! I am extremely happy with the results and have done a few Show and Tells. You can PM me if you have any further questions.

[atul21]

I consulted Dr. Eid originally and liked him a lot. He is very thorough and has mastered this surgery by doing it 1000’s of times. He is old school in his approach and that is a good thing in my opinion. He measures you before surgery via penile doppler and guarantees you size conservation. Also, his pre and post surgery instructions etc. are very detailed and thorough. He gives his phone number and is ok to receive calls from patients.

It was unfortunate for me that he fell sick and I had to go to his recommended doctor for my surgery.

I also consulted Dr. Clavell whom i found great as well. Dr. Clavell is a young and a very competent surgeon. He was very confident of giving me best results. I would have been equally happy to go to him but ultimately went with recommendation of dr. Eid.

But if I were you, I would go with Dr. Eid just because he is one of the best in the world and also a great person who is passionate about getting best results for his patients.

[Anfornee]

I’m another Hakky fan. I researched Perito, Hakky, and Eid because I have family in NY and Fl and I live in ATL. I figured if I chose Eid or Perito I’d have a place to stay.

I read about Clavell and was impressed but distance was an issue

I made my decision based on a lot of reason. I instantly clicked with Hakky. He was also significantly younger. In my mind he will still be practicing when I need my revision looking forward.

They are all world class surgeons and I’m confident I would have been well served with any of them.

[FinallyBionic]

IMO, if you are closer to Eid and insurance covers your procedure, you can go with him without thinking twice.
If you are midway between them and self-pay, I believe you should also consider Hakky. Clavell and Hakky charge almost the same.

[Jage64]

I'm 6 months post-op by Dr. Clavell.

-No catheter.

-Virtually no pain during recovery, I flew 6 hours only 40 hours after surgery and was completely comfortable. Never took more than Tylenol and Advil. Surgery on Wednesday, home on Friday, back to work on Monday. I believe Dr. Clavell has an excellent pain management regimen, including the pelvic nerve block.

- Dr. Clavell encountered an issue with scar tissue in my left corpora that wouldn't allow him to get the dilator all the way into my glans where he wanted it. On the fly, he made an additional incision under my glans and removed that scar tissue and now both tips are comfortably deep inside my glans, as they should be. I'm certain that any highly qualified doctor would have done the same, but I'm not at all confident my local Kaiser urologist would have done anything, and called it just bad luck.

- I cannot feel, see or notice the tubing routing under normal circumstances. When I'm in the hot tub and everything is completely relaxed and heated to 104 degrees, I can just make out a tube on one side if I push deeply into my scrotum just under the shaft. Otherwise, I cannot find them at all.

- IMO the pump placement is perfect, it sits low in my scrotum just behind the testicles at an angle that matches my right hand and thumb. Dr. Clavell asked me which hand was dominant and purposely placed the pump and block this way.

- I was given Dr. Clavell's personal cell phone number he texted me to see how things were going. He was available to me at any time post surgery. I sent pictures of my progress and he released me to cycle at 4 weeks. Sex at 6 weeks, but that was mostly due to the extra incision I mentioned above. He wanted to make sure that the act of intercourse didn't aggravate that incision healing well.

- In my experience with this implant, if your partner NEVER cups your balls or otherwise plays with them, they may never know you have an implant. If ball play is something you both enjoy, then there is no way they will not notice a hard 3rd party in your sack. Although all men are different, I don't see how a normal scrotum could prevent someone feeling a hard pump and pump block when rooting around down there. They won't be able to SEE it, but they'll be able to feel it.

-According to Eid's own video, he believes the newer Titan pump designs have a flaw in the tubing routing from the pump. This is why he prefers the Classic pump over the newer design. He mentions his hypothesis that this is a failure point in his video. As far as I know, this has not been borne out by studies. (I chose an AMS, so I didn't bother looking into this further).

-If YOU have a preference as to which implant you prefer, then make sure your doctor will implant you with your choice. I know Dr. Clavell installs both types (AMS and Titan) and has a very informative video showing the pros and cons of both. He let me decide, with his input when I asked for it. We both agreed that the AMS CX was the best option for me. It may or may not be for you. I appreciated having the choice, as I know many doctors offer one model, and that's what you get....no matter what. I know for certain the man before me received a Titan, so I know the choice is readily available.

-I was initially a little concerned that I would return home to CA and if there was a problem that Dr. Clavell would be 2000 miles away in TX. There were no problems, everything went very smoothly, I followed his directions to the letter and here I am. I don't think about my dick unless I want to. It's soft when flaccid, no dog ears, no crinkling, no auto-inflation, no nothing. When I need it to report for duty, 15-20 pumps and all 7 3/8" is ready to perform.

- I can't speak to insurance options, as I opted to pay out of pocket for Dr. Clavell to implant me. This is not a surgery you shop price or convenience on. You're smart to have narrowed it down to a couple of the best in the business. I paid in cash literally 100x what I would have paid through my Kaiser insurance to make sure I had what I felt was the best outcome possible (pun intended).

You have 2 excellent choices, I don't think you can go wrong with either, but I can only firsthand report on Dr. Clavell, whom I couldn't be happier with.

Good luck, life is going to get MUCH better for you soon!... and remember, everyBODY is different. If there was nothing more to it than shoving plastic tubes into your dick, then there would be medspas on every corner offering it. Your experience will largely depend on you and how your body responds to the insult of having a plastic tube very carefully shoved into your dick. You hire who you think will offer the best outcome and hope everything goes as planned, sometimes it doesn't. That's both the risk and the miracle of medicine.