Eid vs. Clavell?

[younggun1]

IMO, if you are closer to Eid and insurance covers your procedure, you can go with him without thinking twice.
If you are midway between them and self-pay, I believe you should also consider Hakky. Clavell and Hakky charge almost the same.

I'm in Austin btw for context so only 3 hour drive from Clavell. Interesting that you think location matters that much. I'm more concerned with find the best available surgeon and weighing price/coverage somewhat between the two.

Maybe if I don't pick Clavell first time, I would go to him for revisions because he is close but we'll see how I feel after going into Eid's office next week.

[younggun1]

I'm 6 months post-op by Dr. Clavell.

-No catheter.

-Virtually no pain during recovery, I flew 6 hours only 40 hours after surgery and was completely comfortable. Never took more than Tylenol and Advil. Surgery on Wednesday, home on Friday, back to work on Monday. I believe Dr. Clavell has an excellent pain management regimen, including the pelvic nerve block.

- Dr. Clavell encountered an issue with scar tissue in my left corpora that wouldn't allow him to get the dilator all the way into my glans where he wanted it. On the fly, he made an additional incision under my glans and removed that scar tissue and now both tips are comfortably deep inside my glans, as they should be. I'm certain that any highly qualified doctor would have done the same, but I'm not at all confident my local Kaiser urologist would have done anything, and called it just bad luck.

- I cannot feel, see or notice the tubing routing under normal circumstances. When I'm in the hot tub and everything is completely relaxed and heated to 104 degrees, I can just make out a tube on one side if I push deeply into my scrotum just under the shaft. Otherwise, I cannot find them at all.

- IMO the pump placement is perfect, it sits low in my scrotum just behind the testicles at an angle that matches my right hand and thumb. Dr. Clavell asked me which hand was dominant and purposely placed the pump and block this way.

- I was given Dr. Clavell's personal cell phone number he texted me to see how things were going. He was available to me at any time post surgery. I sent pictures of my progress and he released me to cycle at 4 weeks. Sex at 6 weeks, but that was mostly due to the extra incision I mentioned above. He wanted to make sure that the act of intercourse didn't aggravate that incision healing well.

- In my experience with this implant, if your partner NEVER cups your balls or otherwise plays with them, they may never know you have an implant. If ball play is something you both enjoy, then there is no way they will not notice a hard 3rd party in your sack. Although all men are different, I don't see how a normal scrotum could prevent someone feeling a hard pump and pump block when rooting around down there. They won't be able to SEE it, but they'll be able to feel it.

-According to Eid's own video, he believes the newer Titan pump designs have a flaw in the tubing routing from the pump. This is why he prefers the Classic pump over the newer design. He mentions his hypothesis that this is a failure point in his video. As far as I know, this has not been borne out by studies. (I chose an AMS, so I didn't bother looking into this further).

-If YOU have a preference as to which implant you prefer, then make sure your doctor will implant you with your choice. I know Dr. Clavell installs both types (AMS and Titan) and has a very informative video showing the pros and cons of both. He let me decide, with his input when I asked for it. We both agreed that the AMS CX was the best option for me. It may or may not be for you. I appreciated having the choice, as I know many doctors offer one model, and that's what you get....no matter what. I know for certain the man before me received a Titan, so I know the choice is readily available.

-I was initially a little concerned that I would return home to CA and if there was a problem that Dr. Clavell would be 2000 miles away in TX. There were no problems, everything went very smoothly, I followed his directions to the letter and here I am. I don't think about my dick unless I want to. It's soft when flaccid, no dog ears, no crinkling, no auto-inflation, no nothing. When I need it to report for duty, 15-20 pumps and all 7 3/8" is ready to perform.

- I can't speak to insurance options, as I opted to pay out of pocket for Dr. Clavell to implant me. This is not a surgery you shop price or convenience on. You're smart to have narrowed it down to a couple of the best in the business. I paid in cash literally 100x what I would have paid through my Kaiser insurance to make sure I had what I felt was the best outcome possible (pun intended).

You have 2 excellent choices, I don't think you can go wrong with either, but I can only firsthand report on Dr. Clavell, whom I couldn't be happier with.

Good luck, life is going to get MUCH better for you soon!... and remember, everyBODY is different. If there was nothing more to it than shoving plastic tubes into your dick, then there would be medspas on every corner offering it. Your experience will largely depend on you and how your body responds to the insult of having a plastic tube very carefully shoved into your dick. You hire who you think will offer the best outcome and hope everything goes as planned, sometimes it doesn't. That's both the risk and the miracle of medicine.

Appreciate all this context. Agree both seem very competent and good options.

If the pump is noticeable by a partner in the scrotum, I think I would just explain I had an injury when younger and that I had a procedure to fix it but I'm all good now. That way I can expand on that later if I need to. Not sure I'd give them the full details unless I really felt trust was ironclad but we'll see. I want the option to not divulge everything and not limit dating options as much as possible.

That's great you don't think about ED anymore because this shit is all I think about.

What made you go with the AMS?

Also would a girl notice anything different during oral sex? The tubing that concealed? Curious.

[Tokyo_123]

Quick comment. Isn't Eid around $10,000 more expensive? Regardless whom you choose, both great choices.

[Jage64]

I chose the AMS for a few reasons:

-I'm not naturally extra girthy to begin with, and any implant will expand only as far as your tunica albuginea will allow it to. The implant doesn't determine your girth, your body does. The Titan's ability to expand .5 cm more in circumference was not a difference I felt important, given the other considerations. When I happened to be visiting Houston a few months after surgery, I stopped by Dr. Clavell's office just to see him and thank him. He looked me over, pumped me up and said "I can tell you've been cycling, you're every bit as thick as a Titan" I think he meant that I had been giving my tunica albuginea everything it could take and had filled out very nicely. At last measure, when not aroused but pumped fully, I was 5.5" circumference, which is about the same as a toilet paper roll. When things get interesting, I do get some additional blood flow down there, so I think I'm just a little thicker when it matters most.

-When flaccid, the AMS is softer and more natural feeling. I didn't want to deal with soreness due to "dog ears" or the crinkling sound many report having with the Titan. Not all experience it, but I read enough reports to feel the risk was worth considering.

-Although depressing, I'm well aware that my dick will spend 99.9% of the remaining hours of my life in my pants not being thought about. And I don't want to be thinking about it unless it's gametime. Softer flaccid leading to a more natural hang, no dog ears, and no noise was appealing. My wife and I sometimes visit nudist resorts, so a more natural hanging flaccid without the risk of folded points was important to me.

-The AMS is the most used implant worldwide by a wide margin. It seems to be holding up VERY well considering how many are deployed around the world.

-I felt that the pump design was better for me, I read of noisy Titan pumps and small bulbs to manipulate (and Eid speaks of the hose issues). I'm 6'5" 280#, I have plenty of room in my scrotum to handle a little larger pump if it results in easier manipulation at gametime. I also very much like the vibrating pump when you deflate, so you know you're deflating.

-The hardness of the cylinders between the Titan and the CX are very similar, with the Titan being able to get just a little bit harder. Now that I've had my CX for 6 months, there is NO NEED to be any harder than I can get now. My wife would prefer we engage at about 80% inflation, so 100% is only used for cycling. Having an implant that would get to 107% of what I already have is of no value. The LGX can have a rigidity issue due to it's design to expand in length, so I never considered the LGX for that reason.

-my wife reports that she cannot feel anything different about my dick no matter how she's experiencing it. She does prefer the 80% mentioned above, when she has given me oral at 100% she said it's too stiff. ~80% seems to be the sweet spot and she says other than reliably hard and a little more girth, there's no difference from before ED. Oral is when she would handle my scrotum most, and that's when I think a partner would have a question.

-I think you're overthinking this in regard to keeping a secret from your partner. Do you think your partner would be horrified if you grabbed her breast and it felt like silicone? Of course not, you probably knew they were fake before she took her clothes off....did that dampen your enthusiasm for what comes next? My guess is your partner has likely been with a man that was struggling with his own ED and couldn't seal the deal...guess what? You're the deal sealin'est man she'll ever meet. You can seal the deal for DAAAAAAAAYS. I'd bet the first time one of your partners figures it out and tells her girlfriends about Robocock she just met, your DMs will blow up.

Here's Dr. Clavell's comparison if you haven't already seen it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMyIOsHJoUs

[Jage64]

Quick comment. Isn't Eid around $10,000 more expensive? Regardless whom you choose, both great choices.

I think that's right Tokyo, if his insurance won't cover it.

[FinallyBionic]

If you are in TX, then Clavell is an excellent option.
I also agree with Jage64 that women knowing about your implant isn't something that you should worry about in the long run. For now, the implant is new to your body as well. Adapting to it as a foreign thing may take some time and enjoying it will make every single thought of hiding it go away.
All the best with your search

[crazyjoe]

I went with Eid, really a no brainer living in NYC, but I must say my recovery was incredibly easy (dare I say virtually painless) lots of ice first three days. On day three after cath was removed I started cycling and by week three given the green light for sex. I did a very light JO season on day 5 to wonderful results. I also kept my size! I am extremely happy with the results and have done a few Show and Tells. You can PM me if you have any further questions.

I had the same experience -- nearly no pain right from the start and sat comfortably at a dinner party 5 days afterwards. I just watched Clavell's video below about recuperation and all I can say is EEK ! The expected recovery sounded very rough -- expect six weeks of pain?

So, and just my personal view from my experience, I would go with Eid in a heartbeat -- and fast because of his health issues. I have communicated with him several times since my surgery, wishing him well, and his responses have been that of a saint in my book.

[Journeyman]

I had Clavell do my operation. Yeah, he's young but I don't count that as a negative. I believe thats a positive. He says 6 weeks but if you heal well ( like I did ) , he'll green light you to start cycling AND having sex at 4 ( 1 week more than Eid ) . There's no wrong choice here . Either one will give you a great outcome. Dr. Clavell leaves you approximately 60% inflated after surgery. At 60% you're sticking out there pretty far so size loss shouldn't be a concern. I actually increased in size and girth . I couldn't be happier with my outcome.

[FinallyBionic]

I would give a lot of weight to someone who is close to you. Even the best doctors in the world have revision rates they are just lower than the others. Eid by far to me was the better doctor. He activates very early and that has been shown to relate to less size loss from surgery. Clavell is a 6 week wait for activation. Eid will trim the hard tips of the cylinders to make a perfect fit and avoid RTE's as much as possible. But Eid is pretty old and had some time off with health issues this year.

The thing is that several well-known doctors told me this surgery can be done by any surgeon. What you get by going to the really good doctors are lower chances of infection and reoperations from other issues. But they can still happen. Many of the best also have cosmetic surgery in their services or even business name. That is because there is also a cosmetic element to this. Many low volume doctors are not concerned about cosmetics, and many do not do revisions.

Like I said I always say to try to find a really good doctor close to you first. To me the local care is worth a lot. But if you do not have a very good doctor close to you and you must travel for this then again, I would place travel time into this. Lots of other really great doctors out there from all over the US.

Insurance has been a problem to others on this board in the past. Chances are much better if you work for a government agency. Call your insurance or go on line for a copy of your policy and look for an exclusion for penile implants.

Hey newbie,
I do not agree with the doctors who state this surgery can be done by any surgeon. Maybe they mean that any (good) surgeon can give a working penis, but imo, the details make it a very difficult one. Locating 3 pieces on an implant, while insuring that every part of the implant is at the correct place and properly sizing the patient. Tubing lengths, scar tissue, crus depth, differences in cylinders length, if asymmetrical, etc, and a lot more of factors can make the implant successful or sometimes (Oustanding).
Using no touch techniques to avoid getting infections, how to make it less painful, specially post-op, and recovery time.
I think that is why there are a few implanters that we can consider as top-surgeons, while there are others who are still very good.

[Witheringhog]

Hey guys,

31 year old here with weak erections. I've consulted with both Dr. Eid and Dr. Clavell regarding a potential implant.

Any thoughts on who to go with? I have an in-person with Eid next week and have met with Clavell in-person and online as well.

I like that Eid has so much experience and has seen it all over 20+ years. I mentioned to him that I met with Dr. Clavell too and Eid said he's seen some of his implants and that they were pretty good but that Clavell and other doctors don't always hide the tubing great. Eid also said he has had patients who have been married 15+ years and their partner doesn't know they have an implant. He mentioned as a young guy I will want a great aesthetic result and the ability for the girl not to notice even when giving oral or something like that.

Clavell was more like you should want people to know you have this because of the performance but I would rather have the option of not divulging everything, should I choose.

As a young guy who is dating girls in their 20s-30s, the option for stealth is important to me. I may end up telling eventual partners but I at least want the option to not tell or at least say that I had an injury down there that I had surgery on and not divulge the full implant.

Clavell patients, do you feel like your implants are hidden well?

Anybody else have an opinion on who I should go with? Obviously both should give me a satisfactory result and not trying to cause some sort of rivalry here but curious on thoughts.

Eid seems very detailed on his approach and while Clavell has been great in consultation as well, he is a bit less experienced overall and seemed less detailed than Eid although I'm sure I'd be pretty satisfied in either case. Eid also mentioned he takes care to set the tubing properly since that is the item that breaks most often when rubbed together in implants.

I still have to see if one or the other would be covered via insurance but that aside..

What do you guys think? Would there be a big difference based on surgeon?

I am 3 month post op from Dr Clavell. I agree you can't really go wrong with either but I don't know Eid so?? I am happy, had very little pain, lost zero length/girth. But... I can feel tubing between my nuts, I can feel it when I jerk it. a chick would notice 4 sure. I could have the tubing fixed, Clavell said I could but recommended if it's not bugging me to leave it alone due to risk of infection. It doesn't bother me so I will just live with it.