Different Perceptions of Hardness in AMS700

[Stampede]

Hello and welcome to my first post. I will soon complete my signature and start a journal, but I have a preliminary question. And no, this is not another post asking "how hard does the implant get?"

When it comes to the hardness of the AMS700, especially regarding the LGX model, it's often mentioned here that "the CX is harder than the LGX" or "the LGX still has a slight bend."
However, there are also many comments stating "my LGX is as hard as two steel rods."
Yes, it has something to do with length, but fundamentally, how does this come about?

Do different men have different perceptions of "hard as steel," or could it be that other factors (such as the manner of implantation) cause the same implant to end up with different hardness levels?

I suspect I'll receive many responses along the lines of "well, MY LGX is extremely hard" or "I had an LGX/CX, but my Titan is much harder now," but I'm not looking for personal experiences. I've read every post and comment in this forum up to page 270. I just want to gather opinions on how the same implant can result in different hardness levels in two men. Is it due to different tunica? Too little fluid in the reservoir? Good/bad cycling regimen?

Best regards from Germany!

[LetoMan]

Hi Stampede, I’m far from an expert, but given my recent implantation with a CX, my doc mentioned that my 21+3 size was “too long” for an LGX, and that if he had gone with that it would have problems with hardness. Further research here suggested that other doctors have similar views: that the LGX may have more trouble with hardness at the higher end of the range.

To my layman’s ears, that makes sense, as things like plastic become more flexible as they get longer. Consider a plastic ruler… it will be easier to flex a 1 meter ruler than a 25 cm ruler. I’m sure there is some sort of physics principle at work there. The LGX is designed to flex, and it stands to reason that at a certain size it starts to give more than a less-flexible CX.

It fits with how AMS may have decided on their approach. Since the LGX is designed to expand, it probably necessarily needs some more flex in its material. They may have set the design parameters to accommodate guys that are more likely to want the expansion ability - those with shorter to average lengths. They figure guys with average to above length don’t want to trade hardness for flexibility. Thus the LGX goes up to 21cm, whereas CX goes up to 24cm.

It also may explain why you are hearing two different opinions: guys with an LGX and a shorter length may find no problems at all with hardness, whereas those that are pushing the limits experience more bend.

All that said, I think there is a lot more that goes into it, from questions of distal vs. proximal measurements, to individual preferences - some guys (and their wives/partners) prefer a more flexible erection, whereas others might like it super hard.

Just one very pedestrian opinion - just because I was recently looking at the question myself.

Congrats on taking first steps and educating yourself!

[wolfpacker]

I think it just comes down to how people express their perception in a subjective way. I'm implanted with a coloplast Titan but I also have an AMS CX that I bought online to play with, and when pumped 100% the CX still has some slight give if you try to bend it. "Steel rod" is an exaggeration, though of course it's way way hard enough for great sex.

[wilsonmill]

Hopefully will find out this month when I get a revision .

[newbie443]

Hello and welcome to my first post. I will soon complete my signature and start a journal, but I have a preliminary question. And no, this is not another post asking "how hard does the implant get?"

When it comes to the hardness of the AMS700, especially regarding the LGX model, it's often mentioned here that "the CX is harder than the LGX" or "the LGX still has a slight bend."
However, there are also many comments stating "my LGX is as hard as two steel rods."
Yes, it has something to do with length, but fundamentally, how does this come about?

Do different men have different perceptions of "hard as steel," or could it be that other factors (such as the manner of implantation) cause the same implant to end up with different hardness levels?

I suspect I'll receive many responses along the lines of "well, MY LGX is extremely hard" or "I had an LGX/CX, but my Titan is much harder now," but I'm not looking for personal experiences. I've read every post and comment in this forum up to page 270. I just want to gather opinions on how the same implant can result in different hardness levels in two men. Is it due to different tunica? Too little fluid in the reservoir? Good/bad cycling regimen?

Best regards from Germany!

Hello and welcome to the site. I see it a bit different. I think the difference is with inflation level. Some men just pump thing up more than others. With differences in hand strength this would be understandable. As far as the 21 cm LGX, it is not made in a larger size as the soft cylinder walls will not support the fluid when filled in longer sizes. Some doctors feel that even the 21cm LGX will give problems. Others like my doctor do not and implant a lot of 21 cm LGX devices. And there are a lot of me on this site that have had great results with the 21 cm LGX. I am one of those that really like mine. I have a 90 degree or 3 o'clock erection angle. But I am not one that wanted an erection angle higher than that. For men who do the LGX would be the wrong choice. I had a 4 o'clock erection angle for a long time and just like regaining lost length I had increases out past a year. I measured 11cm up and down. So I have a fairly deep Crus. This gives my device good support. Someone with a shallow Crus may have different results. Say if I was 5 cm down and 17 cm up. A lot more of the cylinders would be out with no support. As these numbers are not known prior to surgery this may be the reason some doctors will not have a 21 cm LGX as an option going into surgery.

Just my understanding of how stuff works. Good luck going forward with this.

[Gt1956]

I suspect that we don't know or take into account that each man might have a different rigidity in his natural tunicas strength. My opinion, there is alot of variables & unknowns. Throw in just how many ways the english language had evolved. IE words are used differently.

[Jage64]

bottom line is, all implants will be hard enough for penetrative sex. Likely something the implantees were not able to achieve reliably prior to the implant. So, a complete and total correction to their ED and ability to have penetrative intercourse.

Also, and you clearly did not ask for personal experience but here I go, my wife does not appreciate my implanted penis at 100% inflation, it's much too hard for her and causes discomfort. After over a year of vigorous clinical trials, she likes it at what I assume to be about 80%. (I can get in 20 full pumps until the bulb cannot be depressed again with my hand strength, and she prefers ~16 pumps, hence the 80% calculation) By extension, I do not care at all for that last 20%, it is of no benefit to me. If my CX could only achieve 80% of what it can now, it would still be a perfect solution.

[frank66665]

bottom line is, all implants will be hard enough for penetrative sex. Likely something the implantees were not able to achieve reliably prior to the implant. So, a complete and total correction to their ED and ability to have penetrative intercourse.

Also, and you clearly did not ask for personal experience but here I go, my wife does not appreciate my implanted penis at 100% inflation, it's much too hard for her and causes discomfort. After over a year of vigorous clinical trials, she likes it at what I assume to be about 80%. (I can get in 20 full pumps until the bulb cannot be depressed again with my hand strength, and she prefers ~16 pumps, hence the 80% calculation) By extension, I do not care at all for that last 20%, it is of no benefit to me. If my CX could only achieve 80% of what it can now, it would still be a perfect solution.

jage64 having sex at 80% does not bend?

[Stampede]

Hi Stampede, I’m far from an expert, but given my recent implantation with a CX, my doc mentioned that my 21+3 size was “too long” for an LGX, and that if he had gone with that it would have problems with hardness. Further research here suggested that other doctors have similar views: that the LGX may have more trouble with hardness at the higher end of the range.

To my layman’s ears, that makes sense, as things like plastic become more flexible as they get longer. Consider a plastic ruler… it will be easier to flex a 1 meter ruler than a 25 cm ruler. I’m sure there is some sort of physics principle at work there. The LGX is designed to flex, and it stands to reason that at a certain size it starts to give more than a less-flexible CX.

It fits with how AMS may have decided on their approach. Since the LGX is designed to expand, it probably necessarily needs some more flex in its material. They may have set the design parameters to accommodate guys that are more likely to want the expansion ability - those with shorter to average lengths. They figure guys with average to above length don’t want to trade hardness for flexibility. Thus the LGX goes up to 21cm, whereas CX goes up to 24cm.

It also may explain why you are hearing two different opinions: guys with an LGX and a shorter length may find no problems at all with hardness, whereas those that are pushing the limits experience more bend.

All that said, I think there is a lot more that goes into it, from questions of distal vs. proximal measurements, to individual preferences - some guys (and their wives/partners) prefer a more flexible erection, whereas others might like it super hard.

Just one very pedestrian opinion - just because I was recently looking at the question myself.

Congrats on taking first steps and educating yourself!

Leto, thank you for your thoughts! These are pretty much the same thoughts I had and I agree, there are a lot (too many) variables, that will change perception or even the outcome in total. Thanks again!

[Stampede]

I think it just comes down to how people express their perception in a subjective way. I'm implanted with a coloplast Titan but I also have an AMS CX that I bought online to play with, and when pumped 100% the CX still has some slight give if you try to bend it. "Steel rod" is an exaggeration, though of course it's way way hard enough for great sex.

I have read "steel rod" or "airplaine bolt" multiple times, thats why i was very confused when I have read about people writing it has some bend to it or even being not satisfied with the level of hardness.