How is the dick during the surgery?

[alibaba]

Does it get relaxed so it is stretchy and soft? Or maybe in opposite, it shrinks and loses its elasticity?
The problem is that I am one of the “extreme growers”. While flaccid it is barely 3”. When nervous or cold, it is no more than 2” with an extremely poor stretching capability.
However when erected (when I was able to erect) it is 7.3”. While filling with the blood, it takes stages that are associated with elasticity. At the beginning it just gains a bit of length then waits. Then the internal tissue gets more relaxed so it stretches more, etc.
I am afraid that during the surgery a doctor might come to a measurement against my non-relaxed, non-stretchable and short penis, instead of its full length capacity…

Danny, that is the exact predicament I was/am in . Your phrase extreme grower was me. It would grow 2", before the prostatectomy it would grow 3 1/2. Doc. grabbed it, pulled it out and said that is all you will get. I tried to tell him that with the injections it would grow, stop and an hour later grow a bunch more. In the vacuum pump it would grow out to 6 1/2" ( post prostatectomy), I would release the vacuum and pump again and within a minute it would be 7 1/4". It always felt like something relaxes. He told me he would not discuss it. I always felt like some muscle relaxes. Even now with the implant I can pull on it and then all of the sudden it feels like I have won a tug of war and get another inch pull out even though the implant does not allow it. Eid told me 2 years ago he prefers spinal anesthesia because it relaxes the muscles more and allows for a better implant placement. I am convinced now those who complain about a lot of lost length ( me) were growers and the ones who say they lost none were showers. I'd like to heat who was a grower and lost none or a shower and lost if I am wrong. A good doc is key I would say. Dr. Bullock told me he did not give a damn if I kept a 210° towel on it preop and had 10" and as soon as it hit the cold air in surgery it shrank to 3 1/2", 3 1/2" would be what I got and he did not care because it would be hard 3 1/2". Needless to say that jerk did not do my implant. I chose another arrogant jerk that was almost as bad unfortunately. Good luck. Discuss it with your doc. If he won't discuss it, find another doc!

[danny1553]

Thank you Alibaba

I am even thinking about something like bringing a VED with me to the hospital, and right before getting on the table give a penile massage with it. However I am not sure if the extra blood flow associated with the VED can cause some complications during the surgery.

[danny1553]

BTW Alibaba
When I am going to see the doctor I am planning to take pictures of my dick against the rules (flaccid stretch, lengh in VED and length post-VED).
Did you show your "measuring proof" to Dr. Eid?

The reason why I am so alarmed is that during one of the visits to my uro (who doesn't do surgeries anymore but used to do those in the past), he just barely stretced it out and asked whether I'd be happy with such a size... Well, of course I was not happy. But at that time it did not occur to me to proof my point with an objective evidence.

[roninhouston]

You need to discuss with your URO and be comfortable with his method. There are several videos of the op you can see how different UROs do it.

Don't think my doctor would allow a un-sterilized VED in the OR for fear of infection.

I used the VED Protocol Therapy prior to my IPP. There are several post on this on FT, get the article by Dr. Dineen. I followed it starting nine weeks prior to my operation.

I followed Dr. Dineen pre-op protocol from his paper "Vacuum Preparation, Optimization Length and Postoperative Daily Inflation Reduce Complaints of Shortened Penile Length Following Implantation of IPP". I began this therapy in the hopes it will lessen the pain, reduce loss of length and decrease recovery time.

The cylinder was marked to show weekly progress for the 1st 7 weeks. I stopped two weeks before op less I injured something. The flacid stretch was 6-1/16" before starting the therapy and flacid stretch length after 7 weeks was 6-3/4", VED Protocol Therapy length was 7.5". Six months after operation was at 6-3/4".

Note: I followed the VED Protocol Therapy Post-Op. However in the paper they say three months you have maxed out and can stop the therapy, but on FT some say you will grow in length up to 18-24 months.

All that said the most important thing is I have a reliable, on demand erection, for as long as I want it. I can now concentrate on using it rather than worrying about loosing it. In hindsight length should have not been highest on the list of my concerns. In the hands of a good URO you should be satisfied.

Here are some techniques I could only dream about a year ago....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBaprHhD6CA

Good luck!

[alibaba]

No, I did not take pictures in the tube. I had a couple docs warn not to show them any, Bullock in St. Louis went so far as to say if I show him a picture he will walk out of the O.R.. Ass. He was the worst doctor experience in my life and I've had years that had over 50 trips to St. louis. I do have file marks on my cylinder that I have used for a couple decades. Pre prostatectomy was 9" with the date scratched beside it, then when I could get back to it again there are 4 different marks post prostatectomy. the first cylinder tube I had was too short and it would try to suck my pee hole hole into the hose nipple on the end and that hurt like hell. Gave that tube to an employee at the time. The one I have now is humongus but I never had that issue again. The 6.5" was what I would call the initial phase when I would pump, then about a minute later I would go to phase 2 which would go to 7.25. A week before the prostatectomy for some reason it would go to 7 1/2 but I never marked it then. Surgery week it was back to 7 1/4 again. I did pump it the morning of the implant surgery. About 4 a.m., then reported at 6 a.m. surgery was at 8. I still think part of it is a muscle bit. Docs say dicks do not have muscles but I do not believe it and 2 docs that I know of prefer spinal stating it relaxes muscle better. When I was in my 20's I could flick my dick around and do all kinds of things with it flexing the muscles. Before the implant I could flex muscles holding penis and you could feel it pull like it was trying to pull inside about 1/2" when I pull on it now I kind of relax and can feel it sort of turn loose. Not quicky but not real slow either. I wanted Milam to give it the stretch, hold it and give it another round like it always worked for me but he would not discuss it. I'm not pleased and my wife is DEFINITELY not pleased losing 1 3/4 more inches. Now as compared to before makes us say why even bother to try to have sex. This week have not tried any more. I think both of us are so disillusioned. I told a Nashville doc that 4 kids have gone through that thing and now it is like sticking a pencil in a bathtub and it cannot touch the side. Those damn fools had the nerve to call me today to tell me they wish I would come back. First contact since I left the hospital. After receiving $69,000 + so far I am sure they do. Screw them. Sorry for the rant. Maybe I should get off and tend my tomato plants. Have 26 tomatoes and 10 peppers so far growing getting ready for spring.

[alibaba]

when are these doctors going to realize we have had an intimate relationship with our dicks a long time. Me: 58 years. doctor: saw it less than a minute, talked a bit longer. We may not well know what it looks like on the back of our heads but we damn well know what is going on up front.

[danny1553]

Alibaba
I do feel your anger and frustration. For me, preserving the length is also the key requirement (due to specifics of my sexual life). If I get a dick 2” shorter than it used to be, the fact of having it hard would be no help. That would be a clear case of wasted time and money.
My understanding is that you paid out of pocket for the surgery. I assume Dr. Eid is going to do a revision. Do you have to pay full cost again (cost of implant + doctor’s charges)? I know that the implant itself has a lifetime warranty. However, in case of under-sizing it is not a device issue, it is a human error.
Do you have some procedure to preserve the penile tissue elasticity until the revision?

[alibaba]

Danny, insurance paid part, I paid part. It is questionable whether insurance will pay again without a 1 -2 year wait to "see if things improve". I am seeing Lavine in Chicago in 13 days. If that does not work out then I will see Eid sometime in about a year when I can budget the travel expenses to go there.
No protocol to preserve anything. I pump it up daily or every other day depending on mood and if scrotum is sore due to having to pump so many times.
I have been advised that the AMS warranty does not apply as the implant works, just improper installation but I have no doubt there is an issue with the pump valving else I could not pump that many pumps. Mathematically, given the volume of the pump bulb, it is not possible to pump that many pumps given the volume of the reservoir and I do make certain I make a full pump to flat. I have a 100 cc reservoir. I have no idea how much saline was put in it as that information is not in my records either. Some docs put in a little less than 100, some over fill it I understand but that has it's limitations.

[danny1553]

I was watching Dr. Kramer's videos and it appears that he doesn’t spend too much time measuring the length; just a few pushes and voilà.
If such a professional doesn’t bother with stretching then less experienced surgeons wouldn’t spend their time on pulling-stretching either.
So the question is how to ensure that just prior to the surgery the penis is relaxed and stretched to its maximum…

[alibaba]

there are hundreds of videos and most just poke and implant. There is one that says something in the title about getting maximum implant size. It is one of the more popular docs. Karpman, Kramer?? He stretches and pulls and really works at it. There is a study by the same doctor explaining it.