Anyone over 7 inches with implant?

[LMCatman]

Not even close....

[alibaba]

I do know one man with over 7 with an implant. I do not know if he ever posted here. He had 4 botched implants in St. Louis that all lost CONSIDERABLE length, then one that got most of it back. Chose your doctor well.Dr. Kramer has a video of a revision, the largest he ever did that has a 28 or 29 cm. Has to be well over 8" to have that i.m.o.

Kramer changed the way he puts in the pump and he states high pumps should no-longer be an issue with the AMS. He has also changed to using the infrapubic kit to do scrotal so he has longer tubing issues I've been told by some of his recent patients. As Dr. Eid has always said, (word embellishment by me) those tight bastards at AMS put too short of tubing in the implant kits resulting in high pumps.

My new implant is a Titan and hangs perfectly center and low. ABSOLUTELY perfect center!

[ccrider]

Merrix:

...I think all members here will agree/would not debate that both Dr. Kramer & Dr. Eid are incredibly skilled at what they do and that you really can't go wrong with either one. I would've felt comfortable with either one of them...they're both considered as two of the best at the penoscrotal approach which I had decided on previously. That being said, I also took a look at the hospital facilities each one uses, and in that aspect Kramer has a distinct advantage by doing his procedures at the nationally-ranked University of Maryland Medical Center...rated as one of the best academic hospitals in the country with a nationally-renowned trauma center on site. Had a better feeling knowing at my age that if I had a bad reaction to the anesthesia with my sleep apnea etc I'd have some of the top trauma docs in the country available to help resuscitate me. Dr. Kramer also has an excellent team of specialists who work with him...ex: his anesthesiologist has been with him for the past ten years. I believe Dr. Eid uses either Lenox Hill Hospital or another outpatient clinic somewhere in Manhattan. I'm sure they are fine facilities, but I didn't want to take any chances all around. Another consideration was deciding whether to travel to NYC or Baltimore...unless you live in NYC (as I believe you do), Baltimore is a helluva lot easier/less stressful to deal with than NYC when you're coming in from out of town...great hotels around the UMMC complex or in downtown Baltimore which I'm sure are less expensive than NYC. Finally, I can't speak to Dr. Eid's level of after-procedure patient care, but as oft-noted here on Frank Talk, Dr. Kramer is almost legendary in that regard...ofttimes visits patients in their hotels to check up on them, always available for questions w/ fast responses via phone or e-mail. When I was having uncomfortable problems w/ deflation, he instantly hooked me up with THREE AMS reps who coordinated a visit by the local rep to my office and got me squared away instantly. During that process, Dr. Kramer was extremely understanding & even offered to fly out here personally to make sure I was OK...and he meant it! All told (and taking nothing away from Dr. Eid who is certainly a world-class surgeon), I think the "gold standard" accolades Dr. Kramer receives here on Frank Talk and elsewhere are well-founded & well-deserved...you can't beat surgical excellence at a world-class facility coupled w/ "Old School" patient care...

Well, 6.9 is not over 7. But close enough to be of interest as an answer to your question I guess.
Flaccid is about an inch shorter.

And speaking of surgeon gold standard - that debate can and will go on forever. My vote is on Eid. I am sure Kramer is great as well, but it is a fact that during the last 15 months (i.e. my time on FT) there have been three cases (that I can remember) of him leaving his patients with a high pump causing dissatisfaction. During those same last 15 months I have not seen any case here with any issues from Eid. Not scientific conclusion drawing, but one fact-based point in that debate.

Since two of these three cases have been with an AMS (one I don't know which brand) - whether these pump issues are down to Kramer screwing up or the shortcomings with tubing insertion position of AMS - I don't know. But in a way it doesn't matter. The doc is responsible for choosing the implant. So choosing a model resulting in a high pump isn't a valid excuse. If one model is inferior - don't use it. If chosen, no excuses can be made.

[stiffupperlip]

I like the fact that Dr. Kramer video tapes the surgery. I never imagined I'd want to see my dick getting sliced like that but I'm glad I have it because it shows me exactly what was done. Does Dr. Eid provide a video?

Two and half years ago I'd never even heard of a penile implant. And now I have one. Life is so strange.

[merrix]

Yes, they both probably have their advantages. But being in one city instead of the other has nothing to do with chances to perfect an implant surgery. And if taking it into consideration it is 100% subjective. I am not from NY. Not from US. But preferred a hundred times to go to a world city like NY rather than Baltimore. It's just pesonal preference.
Same with videotaping. So if a crap doc films his surgery, does it make it any better? No. Again I am ONLY talking about where do you have the best chances to get a perfectly functioning implant.
Even the hospital argument doesn't really matter in that case. It does if you have some condition putting you at risk of needing other special care. But for the average healthy implant patient, all that matters is the chances of that doc to give you a perfect implant surgery.
And using the argument 'I got great service and feedback so he must be best' is seriously not holding very well.
I got fantastic service from Eid. As said he visited me twice in my hotel. Once when I called him at 3 AM. He picked up and came. And once on a sunday. Amazing. But since I haven't used any other doc, I can't use that as an argument he is best. Just that he is great.

I still say the only objective comparison we FT members have is their success rate among us. And during the last 15 months when I have been here, there are three failures from Kramer and none from Eid. As far as I know, but correct me if I missed some case.

So saying 'you can't go wrong with either of them' doesn't hold. Three guys here did go wrong with Kramer. For whatever those three cases are worth. Not everything, but certainly something.

No other comparison comes close in meaning, even though this one is no proof either. Not at all. They both do hundreds per year and the population posting here is too small to use as evidence of their skills.

My only point is that I think there is no facts to back up saying Kramer is better than Eid. The facts pointing the other way are three failures vs zero here lately. But that's not enough to draw conclusions. So I just leave it at saying nobody bere knows who's best. Including myself.

Videos, location, being a nice guy, etc are subjective issues of different values to different people and does not decide if your implant works well and your pump is correctly placed. Only surgical skills do.

I am not saying who's better. Because I don't know. I am just objecting to all others who don't know either but still proclaim the verdict as if it was a fact.

And for that matter, it is quite likely the best one is actually in China. The volume they accumulate is grotesque. The #of cases those docs can draw conclusions from is grotesque. But nobody from US or Europe would go there for other obvious reasons.

[ccrider]

Yes, they both probably have their advantages. But being in one city instead of the other has nothing to do with chances to perfect an implant surgery. And if taking it into consideration it is 100% subjective. I am not from NY. Not from US. But preferred a hundred times to go to a world city like NY rather than Baltimore. It's just pesonal preference.
Same with videotaping. So if a crap doc films his surgery, does it make it any better? No. Again I am ONLY talking about where do you have the best chances to get a perfectly functioning implant.
Even the hospital argument doesn't really matter in that case. It does if you have some condition putting you at risk of needing other special care. But for the average healthy implant patient, all that matters is the chances of that doc to give you a perfect implant surgery.
And using the argument 'I got great service and feedback so he must be best' is seriously not holding very well.
I got fantastic service from Eid. As said he visited me twice in my hotel. Once when I called him at 3 AM. He picked up and came. And once on a sunday. Amazing. But since I haven't used any other doc, I can't use that as an argument he is best. Just that he is great.

I still say the only objective comparison we FT members have is their success rate among us. And during the last 15 months when I have been here, there are three failures from Kramer and none from Eid. As far as I know, but correct me if I missed some case.

So saying 'you can't go wrong with either of them' doesn't hold. Three guys here did go wrong with Kramer. For whatever those three cases are worth. Not everything, but certainly something.

No other comparison comes close in meaning, even though this one is no proof either. Not at all. They both do hundreds per year and the population posting here is too small to use as evidence of their skills.

My only point is that I think there is no facts to back up saying Kramer is better than Eid. The facts pointing the other way are three failures vs zero here lately. But that's not enough to draw conclusions. So I just leave it at saying nobody bere knows who's best. Including myself.

Videos, location, being a nice guy, etc are subjective issues of different values to different people and does not decide if your implant works well and your pump is correctly placed. Only surgical skills do.

I am not saying who's better. Because I don't know. I am just objecting to all others who don't know either but still proclaim the verdict as if it was a fact.

And for that matter, it is quite likely the best one is actually in China. The volume they accumulate is grotesque. The #of cases those docs can draw conclusions from is grotesque. But nobody from US or Europe would go there for other obvious reasons.

As you said, "I'm not saying who's better. Because I don't know". That's correct: with all due respect, you don't know. It's patently obvious from the reports here on Frank Talk and elsewhere that both Kramer and Eid are skilled surgeons who do excellent work and care about their patients. Eid may have had some problematic results that were not reported on Frank Talk, so tallying up reported problems on Frank Talk is no accurate indicator. So let's assume for argument's purposes here and your own admission that from a reputation/skill standpoint, it's a toss-up between the two. That's the conclusion I came to when I decided that the penoscrotal approach made more sense to me than the infrapubic method.

The next issue for me was where each doctor was located. I could've just as easily flown non-stop into LaGuardia vs. BWI from where I'm located in St. Louis. However, from my years of experience as a touring musician, I knew that NYC/LaGuardia could be a giant hassle/expense transportation-wise & that the "name-brand" hotels close to where Eid does his procedure were expensive...often 2-3 times what you'd pay for a nice room in downtown Baltimore. Insofar as I was going to be laid up recovering for at least three days, that was a serious consideration. Because I chose Kramer/Baltimore, I saved a lot of money and had less stress/hassle transportation-wise. Great city/no stress/hassle...and far less expensive for a nice room in a boutique hotel. Hospital also had a free shuttle to/from the hospital/hotel/Kramer's office. Advantage: Kramer.

But next to the skill/experience of the surgeon of course, the final and most important consideration for me was where each doctor performed the procedure. I've been an attorney for almost 30 years and, while not practicing in the medical malpractice field, I have plenty of colleagues who do. Additionally, I'm from a family of doctors/specialists (I'm the "black sheep" of the family as an attorney!), so I'm pretty familiar on several levels as to the differences in procedural outcomes between a world-class academic hospital staffed by the top doctors/nurses versus other facilities, especially if an unforeseen problem arises...could be the difference between life/death and/or permanent brain damage. Insofar as I'm 20+ years older than you, with Type II diabetes, high blood pressure & sleep apnea, I wanted the extra edge of being in a world-class hospital in case a problem came up. While I'm sure Lenox Hill is a fine facility, it's just not in the same league w/ University of Maryland Health Center...UMMC handles serious trauma cases & can/does handle any emergency situation. Anesthesiologist/team Kramer uses has been with him ten years...outstanding. The fact that a significant number of surgeons/medical professionals fly in to Baltimore to get the procedure done by Dr. Kramer at UMMC should tell you a lot. Advantage: Kramer.

Bottom line: for me & others based upon the reasons as set forth above, Kramer was the clear choice. He did a fantastic job for me & others here on Frank Talk. Most of us here are in our late 50's/60's & older w/other health issues, thus we may have a different set of considerations & factors to weigh versus somebody like yourself in your early 40's. Sounds like Eid did a great job for you as well.

[alibaba]

The Eid vs Kramer debate could go on forever. Both have a skill set and service well above most urologists. A doctor who can fix the fuck-ups of many other urologists are in a class of their own and both show very well they have that extra level of skill. Evidence based. Both spend a considerable amount of time fixing some real screwed up shit work. Both give first class service to you the patient. Both stay in contact. More importantly when choosing, both have respect for the other which again says they are both in the same top tier level of quality. Costs and convenience certainly has to be weighed for those of us who have to be concerned about those matters but the skill set and concern for the patient's outcome must be your foremost concern. I would have been happy with either I think. I consulted with both more than once and was impressed with them both.

[RichardTheFrog]

The Eid vs Kramer debate could go on forever. Both have a skill set and service well above most urologists. A doctor who can fix the fuck-ups of many other urologists are in a class of their own and both show very well they have that extra level of skill. Evidence based. Both spend a considerable amount of time fixing some real screwed up shit work. Both give first class service to you the patient. Both stay in contact. More importantly when choosing, both have respect for the other which again says they are both in the same top tier level of quality. Costs and convenience certainly has to be weighed for those of us who have to be concerned about those matters but the skill set and concern for the patient's outcome must be your foremost concern. I would have been happy with either I think. I consulted with both more than once and was impressed with them both.

For me, Eid wanted two months to even have a consultation. Kramer talked to me right away.

[ccrider]

The Eid vs Kramer debate could go on forever. Both have a skill set and service well above most urologists. A doctor who can fix the fuck-ups of many other urologists are in a class of their own and both show very well they have that extra level of skill. Evidence based. Both spend a considerable amount of time fixing some real screwed up shit work. Both give first class service to you the patient. Both stay in contact. More importantly when choosing, both have respect for the other which again says they are both in the same top tier level of quality. Costs and convenience certainly has to be weighed for those of us who have to be concerned about those matters but the skill set and concern for the patient's outcome must be your foremost concern. I would have been happy with either I think. I consulted with both more than once and was impressed with them both.

I agree 100% Alibaba...I'm sure I would've been happy w/ Dr. Eid as well...two of the absolute best in the field. To be honest, I never consulted with either of them beforehand. Did my research, checked the reviews, watched each doctor's videos, decided that for my particular situation, I wanted a top-notch surgeon who essentially specialized in the implant procedure & who performed it in the best possible hospital setting to minimize any potential complications which may arise. I also wanted to minimize my stress level & that pretty much meant Baltimore vs. NYC. World-class hospital, less stress, more cost-effective all around...

[alibaba]

It also crinkles and buckles when deflated..

Your mention of the crinkles brings up something I've been going to comment on. I still have yet to fully deflate, don't know when that will be, but This Titan vs the AMS has no kinks in it. The AMS had very uncomfortable folds at the tubing from day 1 which did improve over time though never fully smooth. Sliding my hand down the shaft and to the crus, this thing is totally smooth on both sides. Slick as glass.