Interesting presentations

[Cnidium]

I guess it depends on who you are. I have no problem dropping my pants in front of staff, male or female. Im not the most endowed. I just dont get why it matters, these people will have no interaction with you outside of the surgery / hospital.

What I am concerned about, and what I do believe has a much more tangible negative affect on us is the potential issues that arise from anesthesia. A quick google search about general anesthesia, and to a lesser extent spinal, will show that there are many more potential health issues that may occur besides the feared and rare intra-operation awareness.

If I can completely avoid these consequences, great. If not, then its just time to suck it up and figure out how to recover from it as best I can afterwards. But if you are worried about some cute nurse judging you during surgery, then, in my opinion, you are worrying about something that can cause virtually no tangible harm to you. And, again in my opinion, that nurse's or whoever's opinion about your dick during the surgery does not matter.

[Lost Sheep]

I am glad that I was asleep when my implant was put in. If I'd been awake, knowing people down there were measuring my penis, I would have died from embarrassment!

Cnidium is right. It is all in your own attitude how much embarrasment you feel.

Here's my take on it. I am less embarrased about the size than the fact it doesn't WORK. And that I am on the operating table is evidence I am taking charge of THAT. So, very little embarrassment for me. I just decided so.

You can, too.

[merrix]

It is interesting to see how a thread where I post some articles which I thought many would find relevant can turn in to mostly a discussion on the never ending Eid vs Kramer issue.

What I think is equally interesting is how so much of that debate is about bullshit issues and not what really matters. We're all different and we all put different weight to different issues. But I still think that what must be the main criterion is results. Results, results, and results. Not how smooth someone's hands are, which city they are in, whether there are trauma experts in the same hospital, how long time surgery takes, how many please the doc puts into his emails, what fancy name the doc has on his anti-infection methods, what fucking color the ceiling has in the waiting room etc.
What matters is results. Results.
If the doc uses the most fancy named technique to avoid infection, what the F does it matter if his infection rate is poor? If he doesn't use any particular anti-infection technique at all, but has the lowest infection rate in the world, isn't that better?
If his hands are smooth (whatever that is, something highly subjective) and the doc repeatedly puts his pumps too high, then so what the F does those smooth hands mean? If the doc doesn't have god-like smooth hands, but just does a fantastic job each time, isn't that better?
If a doc writes a hundred please with sugar on top in his emails, but gives people infections, then what are those please worth? Wouldn't you prefer a rude bastard who didn't give you an infection?
If you are in a hospital with a specialist in each and every medicine field within 100 meters, but your implant doc puts in a too short implant, then you're still ending up with shitty results.

It is like judging any professional, you look for results.
Two fighters. One guy with ballerina footwork and a perfect technique. One guy with a more brute street-fight approach. Who is the best? The guy who wins more matches. That's all that matters. The results. Not how he tries to achieve those results.

You need a carpenter to do some renovation work on your house. Who is better? The one with the fancy web page, the smooth talk, and the fanciest van - but gets your kitchen screwed up, or the guy with the shitty web page, the rusty van and broken english, but who gets your kitchen perfect?

My point is, if we are talking about who is the best, then at least keep the debate to what matters. Results. I have no intention of making the call on who is the best of the two. I don't know. And none of you reading this knows either. I don't even think there is an answer. Probably the answer is that depending on your situation and your priorities, the answer is different.
Most likely going with either one of Eid or Kramer mean you have already done enough in terms of picking the best doc.

All I am saying, is that if I was forced to try to come to a guess on who is best, I would look for results.
I would look at infection statistics from them. If I remember right they are both very very low, but with an advantage for Kramer on the fourth decimal. Whatever that is worth.
I would look at all cases here on FT. How many have reported surgery with them, and how many had some issues.
Last time I did this, I ended up with 7 FT stories recently on problems with Kramer surgeries and 1 with issues from Eid surgeries. This is in no way a complete study which proofs anything. But to me it means more than smooth hands, number of please used, and color of the shoes of the nurse. In fact, it is the only thing that means anything.

[GiRn56]

Well stated Merrix, the bottom line for me is my problems were recognized, appropriate intervention = a straight perfect dick with excellent sizing... That's all I care about....

[Cnidium]

Aye Merrix, you made the analogy of the street fighters, I made the analogy of the sword fighters. People seem so concerned about things that are in the vast majority of cases so irrelevent to the outcome of their implant that they forgot what really matters for an excellent result. Im sure I am guilty of this at some point too, but I am also really trying to figure out my best option.

But I have no dislike for the never-ending argument of Eid vs Kramer. Im the kind of person who likes to have as much information, as many discussions to review, before making a final decision.

[ThePlumber1964]

Agree that at one point the thread turned into one vs. other (surgeons and brands). However, I feel it turned towards a better discussions in which more people participated. So I do not think that restarting a litigation or setting standards is a healthy and fruitful exercise.

We all gain when the forum is used to share experiences and lending hands to the new comers. And part of that is to accept that everyone has different concerns that must be respected and accepted, not diminished or dismissed.

This forum is just a microcosm of the population that undergoes the procedure and report back. Others do not want to do it. So, the information here is not indicative of the real outcome rate.

I just invite to be more tolerant of others view, without creating a judgement environment that is not conducive to have more people to feel safe to share their experiences.

I agree that final result is the bar to measure success; but even that is so subjective. What is acceptable for one person is not acceptable for other.

Respectfully,

ThePlumber

[alibaba]

Nobody has ever brought up which female urologist has the biggest tits.

[DaveET1]

Here, try this one.

I have a female dermatologist that I've been seeing for quite a while. Since I have had a couple of small skin cancers removed recently, she likes to do a full body examination every 6 months, to be sure I'm not nursing any cancers where the sun don't shine, or whatever. As part of the exam, she will have me drop my drawers, and she will grasp my penis and lift it so she can see underneath. Now I have a Titan implant in there, and it's far from as soft and tiny as what she saw last visit.

I'm going to have a fine time trying to explain what sort of penis fertilizer I've been using to create this monster, and convince her it isn't just a partial erection because I'm glad to see her. Implants can be fun, if you don't take the modesty business too seriously.

[GiRn56]

Had a attractive on call female urologist in the ER seeing a patient of mine who had a priapism from to much Viagra. Grabbed this guys erect member, so many thoughts of illicitness, until she jammed 2 18 gauge IV needles into each side of it to drain it . Just couldn't look at her straight again...

[alibaba]

The last page of the is link: http://www.smsna.org/scottsdale2016/pre ... ns/209.pdf

gives measurements at different pressures. I was wondering today what the actual pressures are that we can attain with that tiny little bulb? I somehow feel 20 psi is is likely unobtainable. I know flesh is very tough but there is a lot of pressure(force) applied at 20psi. Just a number plucked out of my head, I would assume that the force on your dick would be similar if you hung a 9# weight from it.
Who has ever been the guinea pig that had a pressure gauge installed on their dick or tubing to see how many pounds per square inch they pump it to?

With the AMS I could pump it to the point it felt like the side of the bulb would balloon out with too much. This Coloplast does not seem to do that.