5 inches and finally approved...

[Larry10625]

...I'd check w/ Dr. Kramer or Dr. Eid before you make a move. Either one would've gone into greater detail as to the two brands/models. As for potentially ending up with less length...not if the procedure is done correctly. With my AMS 700 LGX, I have actually gained both length & girth through regular cycling...couldn't be happier w/ both the unit and the experience I had in Baltimore w/ Dr. Kramer...if your insurance is covering the procedure, why not check & see if either Kramer or Eid are covered as well?

Oh for god sake... there are lot's more great surgeons out there then Kramer and Eid. To answer the question, here is a link to a video that shows how they measure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CsuFb3gOCE I deliberately got one without Kramer or Eid to show that there are others out there that know what they are doing. If you notice in the signatures, there are a lot of different doctors and lots of happy clients who are singing their praises.

Larry

...as to other great surgeons out there who can also do the procedure, that's true. There are also a sizable number who don't have the requisite experience to do the best possible job in every circumstance, and that's a charitable assessment. Needless to say, you want this procedure done right the first time...the horror stories of botched procedures are all over Frank Talk. Kramer and Eid have outstanding track records...I chose Dr. Kramer but I'm sure Dr. Eid would've done a great job as well. I didn't want to take a chance & went with one of the best...Kramer's reputation is well-deserved...did an absolutely spectacular job for me both before and after the procedure...as I said, I didn't want to roll the dice with my package...

OK, but you make it sound like if one of them don't do it, it will be done wrong. My doctor is not only great, he is published. Last month he was in Australia teaching implantation. While I am certain that Kramer and Eid are great surgeons, I am equally certain they are not the only action in the USA

[williamb]

Larry, I think the point that ccrider was making is that Eid and Kramer consistently get great results. Any good doctor can get equal results some days and maybe not other days . In my case I was implanted by a well respected Houston surgeon and got a botched job that Dr Kramer recognized immediately from my description and pictures and then repaired it. Some of the Houston Dr.s other patients sing praises for him, but there are more than me that had to have a revision because of his work. The Houston Dr. kept trying to convince me that everything was" perfect" and I knew it wasn't and hope that he also knew it was not perfect. Go where they do a lot of the type surgery you are getting and you will probably get better care from everyone since they are familiar with expected issues.
That is just my 2 cents.
Dave

[Cnidium]

I don't know, I was sleeping. Why?

Its supposed to drastically lower rate of infection. Your implant will never touch your skin with it.

https://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/ ... tml?page=3

And back to the original topic that you quoted. We are concerned about preop measuring. We know that Eid and Kramer have a giant track record with successful implant sizing. So it makes sense to me that someone would recommend consulting them. That doesn't mean another surgeon cant offer help, nor should it cause anyone grief for suggesting those two given what we know. I don't see anything in ccrider's comment that suggests only Eid or Kramer can do this.

[Larry10625]

Larry, I think the point that ccrider was making is that Eid and Kramer consistently get great results. Any good doctor can get equal results some days and maybe not other days . In my case I was implanted by a well respected Houston surgeon and got a botched job that Dr Kramer recognized immediately from my description and pictures and then repaired it. Some of the Houston Dr.s other patients sing praises for him, but there are more than me that had to have a revision because of his work. The Houston Dr. kept trying to convince me that everything was" perfect" and I knew it wasn't and hope that he also knew it was not perfect. Go where they do a lot of the type surgery you are getting and you will probably get better care from everyone since they are familiar with expected issues.
That is just my 2 cents.
Dave

The man lives in Louisiana, I'm sure he can find a doctor that wont cost him a fortune to get to him.

[ThePlumber1964]

Larry, I think the point that ccrider was making is that Eid and Kramer consistently get great results. Any good doctor can get equal results some days and maybe not other days . In my case I was implanted by a well respected Houston surgeon and got a botched job that Dr Kramer recognized immediately from my description and pictures and then repaired it. Some of the Houston Dr.s other patients sing praises for him, but there are more than me that had to have a revision because of his work. The Houston Dr. kept trying to convince me that everything was" perfect" and I knew it wasn't and hope that he also knew it was not perfect. Go where they do a lot of the type surgery you are getting and you will probably get better care from everyone since they are familiar with expected issues.
That is just my 2 cents.
Dave

I think that Larry has a very valid point. I can infere and confidently dare to suggest that there is an interesting combination of two things:

1- Sadly, not many (or any for that matter) of the unhappy patients with unsuccessful surgery results performed by "big ones" are willing to report the failures here in FT (me included, guilty as charged) for various reasons,

2- And, also sadly, not enough patients with very positive surgery outcome from not well-known surgeons are reporting their results here in FT.

Such combination creates an unbalanced and skewed sense that consistent great results can only be obtained if you use the "big ones", hence creating a vicious cycle that perpetuates the same proposition.

ThePlumber

[David_R]

Sadly, not many (or any for that matter) of the unhappy patients with unsuccessful surgery results performed by "big ones" are willing to report the failures here in FT

I was in a hospital support group where some patients had had a nationally-renowned surgeon (not implants, something else) who told us that they had been turned down by this surgeon. He only accepted patients that he could operate on successfully, to keep his numbers up. So sad.
(And this has nothing to do with Kramer or Eid, so don't think that it does.)

[bbb2.5]

Okay. Just heard from uro's office my coverage is approved, leaving me with $1,100 to pay out of pocket for implant. My only remaining concern is with how they determine the implant size. The doc made a gentle tug on my flaccid cock and said 12.5cm which he said puts me at average length. That's just a hair under 5 inches. A natural erection was a little over 6 inches before. Do you ALWAYS end up with less length? He said he'd use an AMS CX in me and wasn't really participating with my questions about other models. Any comments?

...I'd check w/ Dr. Kramer or Dr. Eid before you make a move. Either one would've gone into greater detail as to the two brands/models. As for potentially ending up with less length...not if the procedure is done correctly. With my AMS 700 LGX, I have actually gained both length & girth through regular cycling...couldn't be happier w/ both the unit and the experience I had in Baltimore w/ Dr. Kramer...if your insurance is covering the procedure, why not check & see if either Kramer or Eid are covered as well?

Oh for god sake... there are lot's more great surgeons out there then Kramer and Eid. To answer the question, here is a link to a video that shows how they measure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CsuFb3gOCE I deliberately got one without Kramer or Eid to show that there are others out there that know what they are doing. If you notice in the signatures, there are a lot of different doctors and lots of happy clients who are singing their praises.

Larry

I agree with you Larry about there being more Doctors out there... Mine is one of them..Dr. Hakky is fantastic.

[Tybeeman]

Larry, I think the point that ccrider was making is that Eid and Kramer consistently get great results. Any good doctor can get equal results some days and maybe not other days . In my case I was implanted by a well respected Houston surgeon and got a botched job that Dr Kramer recognized immediately from my description and pictures and then repaired it. Some of the Houston Dr.s other patients sing praises for him, but there are more than me that had to have a revision because of his work. The Houston Dr. kept trying to convince me that everything was" perfect" and I knew it wasn't and hope that he also knew it was not perfect. Go where they do a lot of the type surgery you are getting and you will probably get better care from everyone since they are familiar with expected issues.
That is just my 2 cents.
Dave

Dave don't think for one minute that Eid and Kramer don't make mistakes. I have gotten several PM's from people that have had problems with one of them. These guys are human and are going to make a mistake. I will give you the fact that they are probably a lower percentage then most. I think everyone needs to make their decision based on experience and location. I had my implant done by Dr. Hakky in Atlanta he is 4 hours away. I felt comfortable with the fact that I could jump into my car and run up there to see him if there is a problem. Another factor I put into my decision making was I didn't want to be the 5th guy at 7:00pm at night getting an implant from someone tired.

[Tybeeman]

Larry, I think the point that ccrider was making is that Eid and Kramer consistently get great results. Any good doctor can get equal results some days and maybe not other days . In my case I was implanted by a well respected Houston surgeon and got a botched job that Dr Kramer recognized immediately from my description and pictures and then repaired it. Some of the Houston Dr.s other patients sing praises for him, but there are more than me that had to have a revision because of his work. The Houston Dr. kept trying to convince me that everything was" perfect" and I knew it wasn't and hope that he also knew it was not perfect. Go where they do a lot of the type surgery you are getting and you will probably get better care from everyone since they are familiar with expected issues.
That is just my 2 cents.
Dave

I think that Larry has a very valid point. I can infere and confidently dare to suggest that there is an interesting combination of two things:

1- Sadly, not many (or any for that matter) of the unhappy patients with unsuccessful surgery results performed by "big ones" are willing to report the failures here in FT (me included, guilty as charged) for various reasons,

2- And, also sadly, not enough patients with very positive surgery outcome from not well-known surgeons are reporting their results here in FT.

Such combination creates an unbalanced and skewed sense that consistent great results can only be obtained if you use the "big ones", hence creating a vicious cycle that perpetuates the same proposition.

ThePlumber

Plumber I agree with you 100% I wish we could get more guys taking about haw great the surgeons were and where they are located. I will say it for the 1000th time. When I first got on this site and started reading, then checked my insurance and was told i was limited to stay inside the state of Georgia meaning i couldn't use those 2 guys. I gave up. I told my self I would wait till November and change my insurance. Then my agent told me i may not have a company to buy from next year unless I go with Humana and that would cost me $4,000.00 a month. That is when I started to do my investigation. Then i realize if i happen to be that guy that does have complications from the guys in New York or Baltimore. Will i get back on a plane or go back to my local urologist with my tail between my leg asking him to help me. By the way I live in Savannah Georgia. there is only one urology group here, no I could go to another doctor.

[David_R]

My urologist (who was with me through a vasectomy, kidney stone [thankfully only one time!], and then the implant) is Dr. Marc Siegelbaum, of Chesapeake Urology Associates. His main offices are in the northern Baltimore suburb of Towson. Here are his accomplishments as posted on his group's website:

- Chief of Urology and Medical Director of the Urologic Oncology Center at the University of Maryland St. Joseph Medical Center
- Clinical Associate Professor, University of Maryland School of Medicine
- Urological Consultant, Baltimore Orioles [boy, I bet he has some amazing stories he could tell except they are private of course!]
- Director, Erectile Dysfunction Program, Chesapeake Urology Associates

You can find out more about him at http://www.chesapeakeurology.com/physic ... um-md-facs. (And no, I am not being paid by him to share this information. It's just because there were posts about local prosthetic urologists who do a great job, and I wanted to share my doctor's info.)