Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

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jl33ur
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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby jl33ur » Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:00 pm

Discovernew wrote:
jl33ur wrote:
JH1982 wrote:Hi guys I had a consultation with Antonini in Italy and I was quoted 24k.

I have some concerns about the consultation. So I would like to hear the opinion of some of you who has gone through more consultations and has more experience with that

1) the price: 24k seems very high.

I’m not sure that it’s justified. He seems to be the best in Europe but I still wonder if, most of the time, going to him or to another surgeon will make any difference.

Antonini justified the price telling me that 13,5 is for the implant and the rest goes to him, facility anestesia

However my understanding is that you can get this surgery for around 15-20k (if not less in other countries)


2) I’m a “grower”. In terms of length he told me that this is how you see how long the penis will be when inflated by the implant

You grab the gland of your penis when flaccid. You stretch it almost to break it. And that’s the final length.

I think that, compared to my normal erection (or at least the one I had) I will definitely loose some size.

While he told me that the width will be exactly the same.

To be honest I’m quite concerned to shorten my penis.

He told me that there is absolutely nothing that can be done to “make it longer” otherwise the implant would injury the gland.

In his opinion in the hands of an inexperienced surgeon it can get shorter but no one in the world can “size me up” (I guess is the jargon to say “make me longer”)

I feel a bit blocked by this

3) he sounded overly confident. While this is in a way a good thing I know friends who, having other surgeries in the past, had issues with overly confident surgeons.

So I don’t know if this could be an issue or not

4) he proposed to make me talk with some patients as I was concerned about sensitivity.

While this is great and I know that most surgeons (at least in other fields) don’t do it,, of course I would only speak with the happy patients so I don’t know how much this would help practically.

5) I asked him about Regicom.

The reason why I was interested is the lifetime guarantee and the fact that I’m 40.

He told me that while you can save a bit of money with Regicom is nothing substantial

At the same time he didn’t recommend it.

He says that at the moment there is no long term literature so he would just put it in a 70 years old patient.

While I do understand that there is some rationale in this…. Implanting that implant only on a 70 years old patient kind of kills the purpose of the lifetime guarantee

6) he told me that the other implants are guaranteed only 5 years.

I thought they had a 10 years guarantee

To be honest having only a 5 years guarantee is quite concerning. I feel like is too short. Expecially considering my young age

7) I asked him precisely why 10/15% of patients seem to be dissatisfied with implants.

He told me that the main reason is that they had them with the national health service and they didn’t understand the pros and cons of the surgery.

I’m not sure about that. I feel like maybe he was trying not to describe to me the worse case scenarios not to scare the shit out of me.

I guess that if surgeons told you everything nobody would get surgery.

But at the same time, the unknown scares me even more.

8) I asked him about the infection rate.

He told me that in literature is 2,5%. But he never personally had a case. I wonder if this can be true

9) I asked him the risks of having multiple surgeries.

Being young is a concrete possibility for me.

He told me that if the implant gets infected then it can be tricky.

If it just fails then there is no issue.

I wonder if this can be true.

To me it seems logical that keep insulting the erectile tissue every time that you change the implant might create issues.

10) he seems (and I was expecting that) to find the technique he learned from Perito superior.

And passing from the scrotum barbaric.

However I heard some of you here telling that

- while passing from the scrotum has a higher infection rate
- won’t have implications on the sensitivity

11) another thing that made me wonder is that, after paying, you can get surgery in 7-8 days

While this is great in a way… I was though expecting a longer waiting list considering the amount of surgeries that he does.

I don’t think though that this should be a concern as he told me that the surgery lasts 15 minutes so I guess that it is easy to squeeze one more patient in the same day

I would love to hear thought of people who
- went through more consultations (this was my first one)
- and are already implanted

To be honest the amount of money he is asking is blocking me a bit. I’m not going to lie. It’s a big amount of money.

Expecially given that it will most likely not be my last surgery.

If I could take drugs honestly I wouldn’t even consider it but I can’t.


There is a post from a colleague who had it done in Turkey for much less than that, with Rigicon inflated 10 ax and he is super happy, I could look at it, I personally would not use Titan, the porn actor Ramon Nomar told me that he had had 4 and all they lasted 1 year and a half, currently a malleable one was put on. Apparently the tubes that connect the cylinders to the pump sedate very easily and the liquid leaks.
Rigicon has a lifetime warranty and has 4 layers, one more than ams or coloplast. In addition, I see the inflation mechanics much better and more real than the other brands. not to mention that it expands in thickness and length like a bomb. Surely Dr. Antonini is brilliant but unfortunately there are people who cannot pay those amounts, imagine that you have to pay for a reoperation apart from the 24k? unfeasible at least for me.



Wow i just googled the guy you mentioned and found this video. I think i can see the pump in his scrotum in this video. Is he using a titan in this video?

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php? ... 8e24b16594

And do you think he will be able to do porn with a malleable implant? Sounds not very easy.



Indeed it is him, and he has a titan of coloplast... I don't know if he will continue with his profession, but that was the last thing I was able to speak with him.

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Ld5953 » Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:27 pm

There are a lot of good surgeons in the U.S. other than the ones constantly talked about on this board. Just do some research. I’m in Florida and was recommended a younger surgeon (maybe 38)who probably does 250 procedures a year. Based on my results I would put him up against any of the surgeons immortalized on this board. They were all young surgeons at some point themselves. Do your research, talk to patients, read reviews, etc. The other thing that gave me confidence was the fact he did just residency under one of the top implant surgeons in the U.S. and has already been added to the teaching staff at one of the universities in our area.
Radical prostatectomy in 2002. Used injections for 20 years. Implanted (infrapubic) with AMS 700 on February 10, 2023.

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Luther » Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:27 pm

The total costs for my surgery later this year by Prof. dr van Renterghem in Hasselt, Belgium is €8500,- This includes everything: two days at the hospital, fee, Titan Coloplast, etc.
26cm Titan (no RTE), Dr. van Renterghem (Belgium), October 2023.

Discovernew
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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Discovernew » Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:38 pm

Luther wrote:The total costs for my surgery later this year by Prof. dr van Renterghem in Hasselt, Belgium is €8500,- This includes everything: two days at the hospital, fee, Titan Coloplast, etc.


That's a very good price for Europe!

Do you have any idea if he is a high volume implanter? How many surgeries per year / or in total?

Dank u wel!
Implanted October 11, 2024, Dr Karaman. Infla10 AX 20cm +1cm RTE.
My Implant Journal - Click Here

ED about 14 years. Pills worked for 12 years, later worked 50%. Tried almost everything, nothing worked: Shockwave-Testosterone-PRP-Stem Cells-Botox, Etc

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Luther » Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:42 pm

In the following interview (in Dutch) he states that he is the surgeon in Europa that most often performs erectile prosthesis surgery (about 150 surgeries a year), and that he has patients from all over Europe, not only Belgium.

https://www.jessazh.be/nl/w/prof.-dr.-v ... opdokters-

This is his personal website (in Dutch and English):

https://www.koenraadvanrenterghem.com/
26cm Titan (no RTE), Dr. van Renterghem (Belgium), October 2023.

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Discovernew » Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:10 pm

Luther wrote:In the following interview (in Dutch) he states that he is the surgeon in Europa that most often performs erectile prosthesis surgery (about 150 surgeries a year), and that he has patients from all over Europe, not only Belgium.

https://www.jessazh.be/nl/w/prof.-dr.-v ... opdokters-

This is his personal website (in Dutch and English):

https://www.koenraadvanrenterghem.com/


Interesting! do you know which brands he works with?

And do you know if any others users in this forum already had surgery with him? As i see you didn't do it yet. I usually like to someone who has already done it to get some reference of the doctor (in this moment i am deciding which doctor i plan to do the implant with)
Implanted October 11, 2024, Dr Karaman. Infla10 AX 20cm +1cm RTE.
My Implant Journal - Click Here

ED about 14 years. Pills worked for 12 years, later worked 50%. Tried almost everything, nothing worked: Shockwave-Testosterone-PRP-Stem Cells-Botox, Etc

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby topjimmy » Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:47 am

Discovernew wrote:
topjimmy wrote:
Discovernew wrote:
Hi! why did you decide to get the infla 10x and not the Infla 10 AX?


Actually I decided I wanted the 10AX and the story I was told when I was in recovery was that they initially used the AX but then the doctor decided that due to the size of my penis the 10X would provide a better experience with more rigidity.
Surprised would be a word that fits.
But hey as long as the right implant is in there, I’m fine with it. I just spent the last week with an inflated dick and it’s clear I didn’t lose any size. That was a very uncomfortable week walking around Nepal with a boner.


Wow, this is interesting. Did they say why the 10X would be better? What is your dick size? Are you trying to say your dick is too big for the 10AX, or the 10AX in general is not good for larger dicks?

Your Dr is Gupta?


Hey sorry I just saw this post. Yeah that’s my Dr. I think so yeah, it was implied my dick was too large and that the 10x would suit me better. Or there’s the possibility the doctor put the wrong implant in there. That’s one of those mysteries I’ll probably never solve and really there’s no point as it’s already implanted in me and I don’t have a Time Machine. I’m like 6 weeks in at this point and I’m getting used to life with a rather large dick 24/7. It’s like walking around with a half chub all day. I think the last time I measured it was arohnd 7 1/4” and I don’t feel like I’ve lost any size. Overall it looks like this was a good move but it was a bit wild going to Delhi to do this - fun but kinda nuts.
42 yo Implanted 27th of June ‘23 w/ Rigicon Infla10X in India, 22cm w/ 1cm RTE by Dr Gupta. On TRT for 10 years. Pills work sometimes & other times don’t. Finally made the decision to fix it permanently.

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Discovernew » Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:36 pm

Discovernew wrote:
Luther wrote:The total costs for my surgery later this year by Prof. dr van Renterghem in Hasselt, Belgium is €8500,- This includes everything: two days at the hospital, fee, Titan Coloplast, etc.


That's a very good price for Europe!

Do you have any idea if he is a high volume implanter? How many surgeries per year / or in total?

Dank u wel!


By the way i talked to dr van Renterghem yesterday. Very nice doctor! and he seems very experienced, he is very kind and explains things very well.

But the price is NOT 8500 euros. This price is only for residents of Belgium. There is also a discount for Dutch residents. Any other country pays 21k Euro.

hope that's helpful
Implanted October 11, 2024, Dr Karaman. Infla10 AX 20cm +1cm RTE.
My Implant Journal - Click Here

ED about 14 years. Pills worked for 12 years, later worked 50%. Tried almost everything, nothing worked: Shockwave-Testosterone-PRP-Stem Cells-Botox, Etc

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby easymoney » Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:56 pm

You state that Dr. said 15 minutes for surgery ... run ... run fast .. I had Rigicon mallabble done by Dr. Carrion at USF who is one of the leading implant dr's in the country let alone the world ...look him up. He said the malleable implant is one of the simplest ones to implant ..and it still takes him roughly 20 minutes to 45 minutes to do ..so a Dr telling you he can do a 3 piece inflatable implant in 15 minutes is crazy.

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Re: Is 24k reasonable for an implant (consultation with Antonini)

Postby Luther » Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:10 pm

I am Dutch.

€2000,- Two nights at hospital
€5200,- Implant, other medical devices, and medicines
€1300,- Fee

€8500,-
26cm Titan (no RTE), Dr. van Renterghem (Belgium), October 2023.


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