Trying to Decide Between IPP and Malleable for my case… calling on opinions of the Bionic Brotherhood

[duke_cicero]

Let me get this straight — there's an argument that I'm a shill for malleable penile prostheses? Lol. I fucking wish. Anyone willing to write me a check, DM me and I'll send you my PO box address.

Yes, and at one point I argued for the durability and longevity of the IPP, as well, against certain detractors. I guess I'm being paid by both sides? What a gig. Would that everyone would be so lucky, scoring huge payments from a relatively niche medical device manufacturer that hardly anyone in the general public knows about.

My personal understanding of risk tolerance is such that I went for the MPP. It was also cheaper, and I was paying out of pocket.

Pretty simple equation.

Next.

[dj_soros]

Let me get this straight — there's an argument that I'm a shill for malleable penile prostheses? Lol. I fucking wish. Anyone willing to write me a check, DM me and I'll send you my PO box address.

Yes, and at one point I argued for the durability and longevity of the IPP, as well, against certain detractors. I guess I'm being paid by both sides? What a gig. Would that everyone would be so lucky, scoring huge payments from a relatively niche medical device manufacturer that hardly anyone in the general public knows about.

My personal understanding of risk tolerance is such that I went for the MPP. It was also cheaper, and I was paying out of pocket.

Pretty simple equation.

Next.

Hi Duke

Just to clarify: I never implied you were a shill or in any way being paid by third parties?? My comment was speculating that Leto probably mentioned you as one of the only few true malleable guys because you "famously" argued against Tooyoung's IPP reliability (or lack thereof) claims, which I think boosted your credibility in his eyes. Otherwise, all other notable malleable crowd or new people who are in any way IPP-hesitant or pro-malleable should be considered suspected alts/troll accounts. Did you not hear of the sudden epidemic of trolls/alts?

I was pointing out that my reasons for choosing the MPP were the same as yours, with an added detailed breakdown on how US health insurance can leave me bankrupt, and wanted to minimize my risk. Yet I'm somehow on an anti-IPP crusade and labeled an alt/troll account.

[LetoMan]

This whole thing is so amusing because nobody knows how to interact with the troll’s alts. I get it, I don’t either. But Duke, you don’t have to respond to DJ_soros, he’s just tooyoung! They are all the same sad troll.

It’s funny, I keep on thinking that the troll (I guess we’ll default to calling him “tooyoung”) is leaving behind telling mistakes that give him away must be “winks” to show that he is well aware of the chaos he is causing. But maybe it’s all just sloppiness?

I mean, just above Soros says that the reason why he thinks I know Duke is real is because Duke and tooyoung had it out a few months ago. But why would a guy (Soros) who just randomly started posting a few days ago know that much about that? Because tooyoung knows about that. Similarly, a bit farther above tooyoung states that Soros “will be” posting a journal about his implantation experience. What dude who has interacted with another dude a very few times on an anonymous message board now “knows” what that other dude will be doing? None. But since tooyoung is Soros and Soros is tooyoung, of course they know each other’s thoughts pretty intimately. Exactly as tooyoung says… he could be speaking his own mind!

But then when I see pumpless give up the very long AI generated corn poke routine again, I go back to understanding that it is actually all a “wink.” Tooyoung on some level wants us all to be in the place where we can’t be sure about anything, which is why he sometimes claims to be a doctor and sometimes doesn’t, sometimes claims being implanted and sometimes doesn’t, etc etc. All that is classic troll behavior… in the end he just wants the attention. He’ll happily yammer about the various excuses he has set up as much as he’ll engage in bad faith debates about device failure stats or whatever else.

I have been on the hunt for the “why” of the troll’s behavior, and reading up on trolls gave me the answers I sought. The Wikipedia page on trolling has a lot of good all around information about how trolls operate, and I think we can all see it pretty much describes our troll to a T.

“A a troll is a person who posts deliberately offensive or provocative messages online[1] (such as in social media, a newsgroup, a forum, a chat room, an online video game) … These messages can be inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[2] extraneous, or off-topic, and may have the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses,[3] or manipulating others' perceptions, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur. The behavior is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other people.[4] Trolling behaviors involve tactical aggression to incite emotional responses, which can adversely affect the target's well-being.[5]… A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup or online forum, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the online community.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

That page contains some interesting descriptions of trolling from people that have studied it. This obviously fits with our fake-doctor, fake implantee troll and his various alts:

“Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroup's or forum's members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group.”

And “Trolling itself has become its own form of Internet subculture and has developed its own set of rituals, rules, specialized language, and dedicated spaces of practice.[57] The appeal of trolling primarily comes from the thrill of how long one can keep the ruse going before getting caught, and exposed as a troll.”

The wiki page and other resources also duscuss “concern trolls.” These trolls often target communities of people that are dealing with an illness or other problem, such as obesity, and often pose as being concerned for the outcomes for that group but are deliberately causing distrust and targeting attacks. The troll pretends to be sympathetic to the problem the group is experiencing and offers advice that is designed to frustrate them than to actually help them. That certainly rings true about a guy that does not apparently have an implant, but feels the need to basically spend his time trying to make the majority here feel uneasy about themselves by casting aspersions on the idea that their equipment is safe. It’s a “ticking time bomb” that is going to crap out at any time, etc.

Anyway. Like I said I like to figure mysteries out, and my remaining mystery was the “why” of why this troll was engaging here. And I think I have found an answer that works for me, at least: I think it is all an elaborate attempt to just troll… pretend he is a member of our group and cause everyone discomfort, and get away with it. He gets off on that, and he uses tactics of concern trolling to make it seem like he is really just concerned about all of us when he is really here to cause us discomfort.

We can figure out who are not the troll’s alts because they don’t troll. Having a mpp doesn’t make you a troll or one of his alts. Duke Cicero is not a troll because he doesn’t troll, he’s just a brother with an mpp. Same with Ready2Go and LastHope. Some of the older alts like pumpless are both trolling and also clearly alts. The two new alt accounts that popped up don’t troll (at least not yet), but they are clearly alts. Soros and Neisseriaceae are alt accounts that started posting just as I first called out tooyoung’s use of alts. They came ready made with explanations for why they are new, etc. Soros and Neisi are best buds too, apparently, Soros knows all about how lost his acount but got a new one, yadda yadda. Why does he know all this? Because they are both the same troll. I love the detail about how supposedly Soros is recovering from recent implantation, yet he has NOTHING to say about putting frozen peas on his nuts or whatever, he just wants to fight over ipp vs mpp and over whether tooyoung is 48 chipmunks inside a trench coat, read up on Duke’s “famous” fight with tooyoung and research Neisi’s history across multiple accounts.

There are other possible alts, but those are the ones we have pretty good evidence of at this point.

Remember… the trolling is a game to avoid detection, but it is also a game. That explains some of the carelessness and “winks”. The Troll wants us to know he is winning.

So, how do we get out of this cycle tooyoung has put us in for the past six months? Perhaps we don’t. But the best advice is “don’t feed the trolls”. Don’t engage with the troll and his alts on the substance of anything. But it can help to call him out… the more guys that recognize he is just a troll the less he is “winning” this game and the less satisfaction he gets out of it. He’s gonna fight back, of course, call you names, make his profile picture an insult like he did to Kodixxx, etc. But he really gets off on “winning” at this game, and the less he feels like his winning it the less interested he will be in playing it.

Be well, brothers.
Leto

[LiverpoolLad]

This whole thing is so amusing because nobody knows how to interact with the troll’s alts. I get it, I don’t either. But Duke, you don’t have to respond to DJ_soros, he’s just tooyoung! They are all the same sad troll.

It’s funny, I keep on thinking that the troll (I guess we’ll default to calling him “tooyoung”) is leaving behind telling mistakes that give him away must be “winks” to show that he is well aware of the chaos he is causing. But maybe it’s all just sloppiness?

I mean, just above Soros says that the reason why he thinks I know Duke is real is because Duke and tooyoung had it out a few months ago. But why would a guy (Soros) who just randomly started posting a few days ago know that much about that? Because tooyoung knows about that. Similarly, a bit farther above tooyoung states that Soros “will be” posting a journal about his implantation experience. What dude who has interacted with another dude a very few times on an anonymous message board now “knows” what that other dude will be doing? None. But since tooyoung is Soros and Soros is tooyoung, of course they know each other’s thoughts pretty intimately. Exactly as tooyoung says… he could be speaking his own mind!

But then when I see pumpless give up the very long AI generated corn poke routine again, I go back to understanding that it is actually all a “wink.” Tooyoung on some level wants us all to be in the place where we can’t be sure about anything, which is why he sometimes claims to be a doctor and sometimes doesn’t, sometimes claims being implanted and sometimes doesn’t, etc etc. All that is classic troll behavior… in the end he just wants the attention. He’ll happily yammer about the various excuses he has set up as much as he’ll engage in bad faith debates about device failure stats or whatever else.

I have been on the hunt for the “why” of the troll’s behavior, and reading up on trolls gave me the answers I sought. The Wikipedia page on trolling has a lot of good all around information about how trolls operate, and I think we can all see it pretty much describes our troll to a T.

“A a troll is a person who posts deliberately offensive or provocative messages online[1] (such as in social media, a newsgroup, a forum, a chat room, an online video game) … These messages can be inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[2] extraneous, or off-topic, and may have the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses,[3] or manipulating others' perceptions, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur. The behavior is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other people.[4] Trolling behaviors involve tactical aggression to incite emotional responses, which can adversely affect the target's well-being.[5]… A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup or online forum, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the online community.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(slang)

That page contains some interesting descriptions of trolling from people that have studied it. This obviously fits with our fake-doctor, fake implantee troll and his various alts:

“Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroup's or forum's members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group.”

And “Trolling itself has become its own form of Internet subculture and has developed its own set of rituals, rules, specialized language, and dedicated spaces of practice.[57] The appeal of trolling primarily comes from the thrill of how long one can keep the ruse going before getting caught, and exposed as a troll.”

The wiki page and other resources also duscuss “concern trolls.” These trolls often target communities of people that are dealing with an illness or other problem, such as obesity, and often pose as being concerned for the outcomes for that group but are deliberately causing distrust and targeting attacks. The troll pretends to be sympathetic to the problem the group is experiencing and offers advice that is designed to frustrate them than to actually help them. That certainly rings true about a guy that does not apparently have an implant, but feels the need to basically spend his time trying to make the majority here feel uneasy about themselves by casting aspersions on the idea that their equipment is safe. It’s a “ticking time bomb” that is going to crap out at any time, etc.

Anyway. Like I said I like to figure mysteries out, and my remaining mystery was the “why” of why this troll was engaging here. And I think I have found an answer that works for me, at least: I think it is all an elaborate attempt to just troll… pretend he is a member of our group and cause everyone discomfort, and get away with it. He gets off on that, and he uses tactics of concern trolling to make it seem like he is really just concerned about all of us when he is really here to cause us discomfort.

We can figure out who are not the troll’s alts because they don’t troll. Having a mpp doesn’t make you a troll or one of his alts. Duke Cicero is not a troll because he doesn’t troll, he’s just a brother with an mpp. Same with Ready2Go and LastHope. Some of the older alts like pumpless are both trolling and also clearly alts. The two new alt accounts that popped up don’t troll (at least not yet), but they are clearly alts. Soros and Neisseriaceae are alt accounts that started posting just as I first called out tooyoung’s use of alts. They came ready made with explanations for why they are new, etc. Soros and Neisi are best buds too, apparently, Soros knows all about how lost his acount but got a new one, yadda yadda. Why does he know all this? Because they are both the same troll. I love the detail about how supposedly Soros is recovering from recent implantation, yet he has NOTHING to say about putting frozen peas on his nuts or whatever, he just wants to fight over ipp vs mpp and over whether tooyoung is 48 chipmunks inside a trench coat, read up on Duke’s “famous” fight with tooyoung and research Neisi’s history across multiple accounts.

There are other possible alts, but those are the ones we have pretty good evidence of at this point.

Remember… the trolling is a game to avoid detection, but it is also a game. That explains some of the carelessness and “winks”. The Troll wants us to know he is winning.

So, how do we get out of this cycle tooyoung has put us in for the past six months? Perhaps we don’t. But the best advice is “don’t feed the trolls”. Don’t engage with the troll and his alts on the substance of anything. But it can help to call him out… the more guys that recognize he is just a troll the less he is “winning” this game and the less satisfaction he gets out of it. He’s gonna fight back, of course, call you names, make his profile picture an insult like he did to Kodixxx, etc. But he really gets off on “winning” at this game, and the less he feels like his winning it the less interested he will be in playing it.

Be well, brothers.
Leto

First of all...sincerely man....and I’m not trying to bash or diss you here, but you seriously need a psychotherapist. This might be a morbid paranoia...and we all need therapy in this world...I do too...so this isn’t personal or meant to insult you....Just seek help....Again, like all of us should.

Now with the accusations....please stop labeling anyone who doesn’t align with your opinion as a troll or an alt. That kind of behavior is damaging the integrity and the useful diversity of the community. I’ve asked you multiple times to report to the admin and verify whether these accounts are mine, but you keep dodging that. Instead, you choose to play the Sherlock Holmes game...maybe because you’re amused by mystery games as you said...but I think more importantly because it creates a nice fog around the IPP reliability issue, which has recently come under the spotlight more than ever.

Thanks to those who chose to be critical instead of relentless asslickers...especially Lasthope....Just this August, the most important surgeons in implant history published a paper in Nature...for the first time ever criticizing IPP reliability by extrapolating data from MAUDE...and for the first time ever listing demands to solve mechanical failures..That tone has never been used before....And it was ONLY Lasthope who brought MAUDE reports to this site...and ONLY me who kept emphasizing that data because I believed asslicking wouldn’t do this carcass community any good (me included because I'm subject to ipps too)... Especially since a lot of high-volume surgeons have mentioned to their patients they frequently check FrankTalk.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27124&p=260825#p260825


So tell me...when they come here and see you happily celebrating one year out of surgery and killing every possible attempt of criticizing reliability because you want to sleep better at night...do you think they’re gonna argue the companies? Do you think the efforts that led to the Nature article was just a troll work? When I said the real trolls are you, I wasn’t deflecting. That’s just what I believe. You and your lookalikes are the main reason we’ve ended up with this garbage-tier IPP reliability....bunch of carcasses celebrating five revisions GOING $TRONK over ten years and talking lightly with their medicared or insured revisons will not change a damn thing.

If you want to sleep better at night leave a site intended for criticizm and not cultish asslicking!!!!!

So let’s get this straight tooyoung, yourself and Lasthope posting on this forum led to this paper in Nature being published?

Fair play if you did, have you got the screenshot of you both being credited?

[LiverpoolLad]

First of all...sincerely man....and I’m not trying to bash or diss you here, but you seriously need a psychotherapist. This might be a morbid paranoia...and we all need therapy in this world...I do too...so this isn’t personal or meant to insult you....Just seek help....Again, like all of us should.

Now with the accusations....please stop labeling anyone who doesn’t align with your opinion as a troll or an alt. That kind of behavior is damaging the integrity and the useful diversity of the community. I’ve asked you multiple times to report to the admin and verify whether these accounts are mine, but you keep dodging that. Instead, you choose to play the Sherlock Holmes game...maybe because you’re amused by mystery games as you said...but I think more importantly because it creates a nice fog around the IPP reliability issue, which has recently come under the spotlight more than ever.

Thanks to those who chose to be critical instead of relentless asslickers...especially Lasthope....Just this August, the most important surgeons in implant history published a paper in Nature...for the first time ever criticizing IPP reliability by extrapolating data from MAUDE...and for the first time ever listing demands to solve mechanical failures..That tone has never been used before....And it was ONLY Lasthope who brought MAUDE reports to this site...and ONLY me who kept emphasizing that data because I believed asslicking wouldn’t do this carcass community any good (me included because I'm subject to ipps too)... Especially since a lot of high-volume surgeons have mentioned to their patients they frequently check FrankTalk.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27124&p=260825#p260825


So tell me...when they come here and see you happily celebrating one year out of surgery and killing every possible attempt of criticizing reliability because you want to sleep better at night...do you think they’re gonna argue the companies? Do you think the efforts that led to the Nature article was just a troll work? When I said the real trolls are you, I wasn’t deflecting. That’s just what I believe. You and your lookalikes are the main reason we’ve ended up with this garbage-tier IPP reliability....bunch of carcasses celebrating five revisions GOING $TRONK over ten years and talking lightly with their medicared or insured revisons will not change a damn thing.

If you want to sleep better at night leave a site intended for criticizm and not cultish asslicking!!!!!

So let’s get this straight tooyoung, yourself and Lasthope posting on this forum led to this paper in Nature being published?

Fair play if you did, have you got the screenshot of you both being credited?

Search this forum detective..type MAUDE on the search bar and see who brought it up to the light and who was persitent at mentioning it in the very fews months before its' publication on august....."the first to examine MAUDE reports" in the 50 year history of ipps...a conincidence?

Even if it's how does that change the core of my argument ? See how cheap your discussions turned out ? You left the whole idea and questioned "credit"....stop being sick.

I mean if that’s what you want to believe then crack on

For someone who is constantly posting screenshots of studies I find it hilarious there is no tangible link whatsoever between you, Lasthope and this Nature publication as you’re proudly proclaiming.

Why don’t you get in touch with the authors of the publication and see if they got the idea from you and Lasthope, I’m sure they’ll get back to you with open arms.

Calling me sick? That’s rich

[LiverpoolLad]

Search this forum detective..type MAUDE on the search bar and see who brought it up to the light and who was persitent at mentioning it in the very fews months before its' publication on august....."the first to examine MAUDE reports" in the 50 year history of ipps...a conincidence?

Even if it's how does that change the core of my argument ? See how cheap your discussions turned out ? You left the whole idea and questioned "credit"....stop being sick.

I mean if that’s what you want to believe then crack on

For someone who is constantly posting screenshots of studies I find it hilarious there is no tangible link whatsoever between you, Lasthope and this Nature publication as you’re proudly proclaiming.

Why don’t you get in touch with the authors of the publication and see if they got the idea from you and Lasthope, I’m sure they’ll get back to you with open arms.

Calling me sick? That’s rich

It doesn't matter bro If I believe in it...neither am I seeking credit...it doesn't matter....how does that change the core of my argument? I ask you again...

Liverboy you are taking it personal..and this doesn't tell good things about you...again please...challenge the argument not the person. Thanks.

It changes the core of your argument that something you are relying on as being true, isn’t actually true and there is no evidence to back what you’re saying.

You’re the one on this forum who attacks people personally, when have I been personal in what I’ve said?

[Jgoody]

Damn son, WTH is going on here lol. Not sure what to believe but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't an entertaining read.

Anyways it sounds like you're really putting thought into which route you go & that's probably smart. I didn't myself & just trusted my surgeon/urologists recommendation, whom I think is a legit good dude. I wouldn't try to steer you one way or the other but I think if it were me I'd let the insurance coverage be the deciding factor. Don't get me wrong. I do not like insurance companies nor trust them but if it's substantially cheaper or covered to go one way & I was on the fence, I'd prob go that route.

I ended up having to pay out of pocket for an ipp & didn't even consider or know about malleables at that time really. Mine costed 17k & I even had to get an extra credit card to scramble up the funds but I had my mind set at it. As I've said before tho, I'm appealing & hopeful that I get reimbursed but won't hold my breath. I inherently don't trust corps or government much. But life is short so I full sended that bitch. Definitely not an "ass licker" here (except with a clean hot chick & mean no shade to anyone) but I chose to just trust the process & hope for the best. So far it's working out for me & I'd endorse anyone to get a Titan if pills/injections don't work or are otherwise intolerable.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck brotha

[Kodixx]

Leto, very helpful and amusing post. The behavior is a sideshow at best, and an irritating distraction at worst. But I'm good with his avatar !
It's a constant amusing reminder that despite all his "medical credentials", he misread the anatomy diagram of a side of beef (which is not the same as a carcass), and mistakenly tried to associate my FT pseudo-name Chuck with the ass-end of a cow.
Swing and a miss

Back to the 'tooyoung hivemind'.

Reminds me of the Hindu proverb --
" There are hundreds of paths up the mountain, all leading in the same direction, so it doesn't matter which path you take. The only one wasting time is the one who runs around and around the mountain, telling everyone that his or her path is wrong. "

tooyoung, just to state the obvious, the reason you get more blowback than anyone else is :
1) high level of disrespect you show for other forum members;
2) middle-school like name calling and insults; and,
3) the infomercial-style "discussions" that fog up the forum

Do you really do this on Reddit also, as Wooody noted below ?

But, according to Leto's troll research, it fits the description. Want to be viewed as a real forum member and less like a troll ?
Stop behaving like that.

- Chuck

tooyoung, so you put all that effort into finding a pic of a side of beef, with the word "Chuck" on top -- and made it your avatar -- just to express to the forum that "the whole meat is a carcass" ? And that's the story you're going with ? Sounds like fog.

So, how do we get out of this cycle tooyoung has put us in for the past six months? Perhaps we don’t. But the best advice is “don’t feed the trolls”. Don’t engage with the troll and his alts on the substance of anything. But it can help to call him out… the more guys that recognize he is just a troll the less he is “winning” this game and the less satisfaction he gets out of it. He’s gonna fight back, of course, call you names, make his profile picture an insult like he did to Kodixxx, etc. But he really gets off on “winning” at this game, and the less he feels like his winning it the less interested he will be in playing it.

Blocking or flagging specific threads

Hello -- I know that specific Users can be blocked using the "Foes" list. Is there a way to flag, or block, specific Threads ? There's been a recent rise in "infomercial" threads, and I'd really like to flag them so I don't click on them -- and then realize "oh yeah, this one is crap".

By "infomercial" thread, I mean it feels like waking up in the middle of the night with an infomercial on TV, and multiple people having an orchestrated conversation with each other. Complete with prepared stats, quotes, graphs, and each one complimenting the other on how they're thinking.

I think what I and others don't like is your approach. You insult members here regularly and are frankly, annoying with your non-stop IPP bashing. I will say that _some_ of your more recent posts have been more helpful and informative but then you go back to being your old self. You're not very likable, except to the MPP crowd.

He does this on Reddit too. Uses the same FT screenshots with same annotations and highlights, same studies, same comments etc.. using multiple accounts.

I like figuring weird mysteries out, and as I pointed out in prior posts exposing you, figuring out that you are using multiple alt accounts was not that hard. But what is hard is figuring out your motives. With some of your other alt accounts like the pumpless foghorn leghorn guy and the neisser-whatever guy, you bother to try to disguise your writing by using ChatGPT or similar. But with this alt you are going in a different direction… this alt also claims to be 27, just like you claim to be, he really only interacts with you, he basically says the same things you say in a similar voice to you, and you are basically daring us to make the connection by joking that his views could be from your own mind.

And that’s why I said this was elite level trolling. I mean, you are so deep into it that you probably think you crafted a strategy to “throw everyone off the scent” by, for example, having one alt account with an AI generated corn poke southern accent while also having another alt account that you are openly admitting is probably you. I mean, that’s a whole ‘nother level! I mean… are you actively trying to think up strategies to confuse the issue of whether you are using alts? That’s crazy! That’s a serious amount of effort to put in just so you can troll a little message board of guys whose dicks don’t work.

[LetoMan]

The behavior is a sideshow at best, and an irritating distraction at worst.

Chuck, I think you are right for you and me and other already-implanted guys.

But the real value of this forum is not for us, it for the anxious guys that haven’t yet made a decision to get an implant and are looking for info.

The concern troll gets satisfaction from pretending to be concerned about or part of the group, but then actually undermining it. For example, the trolls on Reddit's ED forums often go on saying things like “hey guys, I am just like you, I used to have ED, but then I didn’t because I [stopped masturbating/gave up porn/took useless supplements/did whatever other useless or counterproductive suggestion]. You should do that too.”

Why are they doing that? None of that works, they are just trying to make dudes feel bad, that their ED is a consequence of their own choices, etc.

This concern trolling here is a lot more complex, haha, as would befit an expert troll with multiple accounts and devoting lots of time to it across multiple platforms. I have to actually admire it for how it’s been thought out. It’s sad and pathetic that this kind of effort goes into something so silly, but also astonishing, haha.

Anyway, here the troll says: “hey guys, I’m a [doctor/implantee/non-implantee ED suffererer]. I am just like you, except I have all kinds of knowledge on implants… I’m the most-expertest person on here about implants. I happen to know that if you get the absolute most popular type of implant, you are going to have to do a revision every year and will probably die from infection eventually. It’s a crapshoot, you are rolling the dice. It’s going to bankrupt you. It’s going to screw up your marriage and family and career. Everyone is lying to you about the safety, only I know it, here are the (made up) statistics about it.”

Now, you and I, already implanted, already familiar with docs, the process, etcetera … this is a sideshow or distraction. But to a guy coming here trying to figure out whether to let a doctor cut his dick open, it’s just like that poor guy thinking ED is all his fault because he masturbates. It can be devastating.

The troll thrives on causing that discomfort.

And that is why he is “flooding the zone” with disinformation. He says he is trying to get the device manufacturers to improve, but that doesn’t require pissing off everyone that comes into contact with him 78 times a day. Rather, he is trying to make sure casual and new readers of the site see his claims about IPPs and get scared off, anxious, or make an alternate choice for an mpp. He wants to make sure that none of the rational voices here get heard without being challenged by him. And of course as a classic troll he also just wants to fight with and insult everyone.

He does not *want* to be accepted here! So you won’t change his behavior by appealing to the better angels of his nature. He doesn’t have them. The whole point for him is to be contentious and undermine the good advice, thus harming the guys looking for advice. That has been his only play, from the first moment he sprung up on here as a fully-formed troll six months ago.

And that’s why this matters to me. This site was helpful for me in making my decision. I fear the disinformation is making dudes fear getting an implant, making them more anxious as they go through the process, have doubts in their head.

That’s why I wouldn’t engage with him. When he posts we should make sure to note for other readers that he is a lying troll, but otherwise ignoring him is the best approach. He gets off on fighting and calling names, the rest of us don’t! It’s a losing battle to engage.

Don’t feed the Troll!

[LiverpoolLad]

It doesn't matter bro If I believe in it...neither am I seeking credit...it doesn't matter....how does that change the core of my argument? I ask you again...

Liverboy you are taking it personal..and this doesn't tell good things about you...again please...challenge the argument not the person. Thanks.

It changes the core of your argument that something you are relying on as being true, isn’t actually true and there is no evidence to back what you’re saying.

You’re the one on this forum who attacks people personally, when have I been personal in what I’ve said?

What concrete evidence backs leto statements that I have alt accounts ? Have some intergity and the courtesy to admit that you don't care about the argument and that you are double standard.

Yeah it doesn't change the core of the argument....in other words...imagine that the nature paper discussing MAUDE really coincided with Lasthope's monthly MAUDE reports..for the first time in 50 years of ipp history..surprisingly...how does that change the core of the argument that asskissing and sugarcoating won't do shit and critical appraisal shouldn't be taken as trolling by carcasses who want to sleep better at night ?

I think you've genuinely lost it when did I mention alt accounts?

You keep doing your critical appraisal tooyoung, there is nothing on here you are doing which is
a) changing the implant industry as you are delusioned to believe and
b) no rational person who is considering an implant should take you seriously, you don’t even have an implant and are attempting to influence others in this bizarre way, calling anyone who opposes you asslickers and carcasses

I would say people who are going for an implant should listen to their healthcare professionals who are qualified to give advice, not this quack job. You’re 27 too, what went wrong so soon?