Anyone gain girth after implant?

[dennov]

From what I've been reading some here are a little disappointed in their post-op girth (lost some) and some others have said it came out about the same as it was before. Both AMS and Titan claim that their implants will increase the girth, yet by what I'm reading that doesn't ring true. I can increase my girth by 1 inch using a VED (I know some of that is subcutaneous tissue, but I think that is just a small fraction of it) so I know that it can be done.

I would like to know if there is anyone here that has seen an increase in your girth after implantation? Maybe I just haven't read the right posts.

Thanks guys!
Dennis

[Matthew]

I am not overly impressed with girth results from AMS. Its not bad but a little under my normal girth. I am 7weeks post op so I am hoping for more expansion. I will check again later but I think I was 4 1/4" girth post op so far. I was approx 4 7/8" " originally.

[SteveTex]

I'm also underwhelmed with the girth from my LGX700, post-op. Now I have a special situation because I only got one tube implanted due to scar tissue (which I'm not happy about).

For the past 3 1/2 years, I guess I have been the statistical "outlier". I got both total ED and total incontinence from my robotic radical prostatectomy in 2009 (that was not supposed to happen) and then had the AUS implant to stop the incontinence, which it did about 95% (but still some leakage) and now with the IPP where I've lost about 2" in length and 1 " in girth.

I hate to be skeptical, but it makes me wonder about the claims of total recovery from RPP after a few days (yes, some guys magically healed totally in a few days with no side affects and claim to be having sex a week after) and claims of girth and length expansion from the IPP. If it does happen, I bet for every 1 who claims girth or length expansion, there are 100 with results like mine. I think the medical community has a gold mine here and doesn't want the "outliers" (like me) speaking out. Call me skeptical.

Maybe I'm just in a bad post-IPP mood and envious of those who are thrilled with their result. Sorry guys.

[radiodec]

I will give you notes once I am far enough past surgery. I can't stand the wait for 11/7/2012. Steve, on thing to remember is that you lost half the benefit to your girth when you only got one tube. At no expansion, one tube is 12mm when inflated, at full inflation, 18mm. With two tubes double that number. Since the penis is more or less an oval when erect and definitely when under implant erection, i can't use my mathematics to calculate a reliable girth number. Also, the amount of "real" tissue varies but has to be included when considering girth.

If the penis were circular and you had 10mm of tissue in addition to the implants, you would have somewhere around 22mm times pi minimum and 28 times pi maxmum girth. That figures to about 3.5 inches at maximum with 10mm of tissue. If you have more tissue and you probably do, you will eventually have a larger girth.

This is all math with poor inputs, so take it for what it is worth. The second tube could have added one to one and three fourths inches to your girth.

I hope everything turns out well and that you experience marked inflation in the family assets.

David

[dennov]

If the penis were circular and you had 10mm of tissue in addition to the implants, you would have somewhere around 22mm times pi minimum and 28 times pi maxmum girth. That figures to about 3.5 inches at maximum with 10mm of tissue. If you have more tissue and you probably do, you will eventually have a larger girth.
David

What does your math come to (approx of course) when using 2 Titan 21mm tubes?

Thanks,
Dennis

[rlm1818]

Dr Eid told me during my very first consult with him that it is very rare for any of the implants, whether Titan, LGX, or CX to expand to their full potential inside the body. The body (I think tunica and cavernosa together, but probably primarily the tunica) is the limiting factor. The exception would be someone very, very large.

So, Matthew, when you say you're not overly impressed with the girth results from the AMS, I think, unless there is something unusual, it would be more accurate to say you're not overly impressed with the amount your body can expand. I'm not overly impressed with the amount my body expands with my Titan either, but I don't regard that as indicative of any issue with the Titan. Its my body that is the issue.

Dennis, I have read of some who say they gained girth after the implant. One question though, is compared to what? Another is how? If your "before" measure was based on an erection or engorgement that wasn't stretching your body to its full extent (perhaps there wasn't enough blood flow to get it there), and then you have an implant that can expand to the full extent, then sure, there will be a gain. Also, if your body has the potential to stretch over time from the periodic pressure of the implant when you pump up, then sure, you can probably gain. On the other hand, if you have already been stretching to the limit, and using a VED to get there with regularity, I would guess further expansion from the implant is less likely.

Also, getting an implant causes scar tissue to form around all the components. That's one reason doc's almost universally recommend pumping up daily to the max, to keep scar tissue from limiting length, girth or otherwise interfering with performance. I'd guess not everyone forms scar tissue to the same degree and extent, and in some cases perhaps even with regular pumping scar tissue could end up reducing potential.

Finally, when comparing implanted girth to VED girth, remember that your VED girth reflects engorgement of the spongiosum, as well as blood flow to the erectile tissue inside the carvernosa. The implant does nothing for engorgement of the spongiosum. It only expands inside the carernosa. All the docs I visited before my implant told me that I should be able to get as much expansion of the cavernosa from the implant as I got from the VED, but that I most likely would not get nearly as much, and perhaps no, engorgement of the spongiosum (depending on blood flow to the spongiosum). Also, remember that unless you are using a VED, or possibly if you are injecting yourself with tri-mix, whatever engorgement of the spongiosum you do get comes as a result of stimulation and arousal (due to the blood flow that accompanies that). Pumping the implant alone, without some arousal or stimulation won't get you any engorgement of the spongiosum even when your body is capable of it.

[dennov]

Well I tried the math for two 21mm tubes and adding 10mm of tissue and came to 16.3 cm of circumference or approx 6 1/2 inches, without the added tissue it comes to 13.2 cm circumference or about 5.25 inches so if I pick somewhere in the middle I would guess around 5 7/8 would be the most likely outcome.

Dennis

[dennov]

Finally, when comparing implanted girth to VED girth, remember that your VED girth reflects engorgement of the spongiosum, as well as blood flow to the erectile tissue inside the carvernosa. The implant does nothing for engorgement of the spongiosum. It only expands inside the carernosa. All the docs I visited before my implant told me that I should be able to get as much expansion of the cavernosa from the implant as I got from the VED, but that I most likely would not get nearly as much, and perhaps no, engorgement of the spongiosum (depending on blood flow to the spongiosum).

Thanks rlm1818, I can still get some engorgement of the spongiosum especially with a little Cialis and testosterone shots and with the pump I can go from 5 1/2 to 6 1/2 girth so I'm hoping my actual gain (after implant- with some work) will be somewhere around 1/2 inch or so putting me at close to 6' circumference.

What do you think? Does this sound reasonable?
Dennis

[rlm1818]

At 5 1/2 you're above the 90th percentile of healthy men, and at 6 you're above the 99th percentile of healthy men, according to mraverage.com. I would think most men, especially those with implants, would be thrilled even at 5 1/2. I know I would be.

My girth with my Titan is about the same, maybe 1/8 inch less than what I had with a VED prior to the implant (after 5 months of daily VED therapy). But I am only about 4 3/4. If my tunica stretched more, I'm sure the Titan could get me over 5 1/2 or even 6, but my body is limiting it.

If you pick a good surgeon and baring any bad luck, any of the implants should give you pretty close to the full potential your body has to offer, which is about all you can expect. If you were very small and were worried about loss, I can see maybe worrying about your final size, length and girth, as you might say "gee if I loose much maybe I don't want to bother". But, you sound like you have pretty good size. So my advice is not to worry too much about the exact size you will be. Make sure you research your doc well. If he does his job well, you will achieve close to, or your full potential, and you should be able to enjoy that, whatever it is.

[Matthew]

"it would be more accurate to say you're not overly impressed with the amount your body can expand" I understand this concept in general, however in light of the 20% expandable LGX model, I think there is room for some disagreement in context of girth. I would totally agree on length of our anatomy being the major limited factor. IMO, with a narrow long inflatable tube, the path of least resistance will be length wise. Now I am not an engineer but it seems to be if a person was implanted with a unit that got close to "exhausting" its length while erect, it would have more potential for girth expansion. Unless the length of tube is stretched, it will have less strength to push "expand" girth. My skin was tight and I had more girth pre surgury. I have lose skin and smaller diameter now. That is a fact. I am only 7 weeks post op so I will measure again in a couple of weeks. I hope to gain some.