How does cycling increase length?

[2435tjklAS]

I’m cycled religiously with the first implant
Rarely cycle the new implant
Zero difference

I think Craig has a habit of occasionally making posts/comments that are 50% true, 40% humorous satire, and 10% relatively stupid, lol, but to answer this directly...

First like always I'm not an expert on anything, but about you cycling religiously the first time - I looked it up and your first implant was November 24, 2021, and looks like it failed right at a year after in November 2022. I would imagine that the revision didn't make your size go all the way down to your first post-op smallest size? I know I lost over two inches my first time, and if it failed right now and I got a revision it wouldn't be that small again?

Also importantly, whether or not you are cycling religiously, or at least cycling consistently and somewhat aggressively, I do know a ton of men on these forums and elsewhere who followed their doctors very conservative advice of only cycling 15 minutes a day, and the result led to the #1 patient complained being lost size. So Craig hasn’t experienced much of a difference, but he’s probably happy about his efforts that led to his first recovery.

About the mountains of medical research confirming modern implants and VED use work to regain/gain more size, Craig says:

Pfizer funds vax studies
Pump makers do the same

I wish I was an expert with experience who knew all the details about this incredibly complicated process, but I can fairly confidently say your objection of who funded the studies doesn’t change the real data and the real results. Pfizer funds most of the studies of their medicine because who the hell else is gonna fund them? I understand the idea of a company funding anything that supports their product makes people suspicious of prejudices to the findings designed to increase their profits, but that’s not how medical reseach works. What they’re funding is the creation of a process for trained medical professionals under close supervision following the scientific method to acquire empirical evidence that cannot be faked and that reaches real conclusions.

If you want to learn more about the insanely complicated field of medicine, medical research, and pharmaceuticals I highly recommend watching this show/documentary that doesn’t seem to get mentioned much here.

It’s on discovery+ called “VIAGRA - The Little Blue Pill That Changed the World.” You should be able to grab a 7-day trial and watch the three episodes for free (don't forget to cancel!): https://www.discoveryplus.com/show/viag ... e-world-us

The reason I’m surprised it’s not mentioned often here is because one of the guests happens to be this guy who is the founder of this very forum we find ourselves on!



Suffice to say, this documentary is relevant here.

What I took from this show is basically that Viagra came out, and men being lazy like men are relied on taking a pill to get hard instead of putting in any effort to improving their penis health. This has been suggested in recent research that the move away from VEDs likely had a lot to do with the introduction of Viagra.

Conclusion: I imagine Craig is somewhat sarcastic here, but cycling really does do what it's supposed to do, and the best part about it is it can be explained and understood just what ED has done to all of our dicks, as well as what we all can do to fix them. There's also anecdotal evidence from myself as well as many other men here and elsewhere of penises regaining their former pre-ED sizes, as well as implants making them bigger than they ever were before. Our experiences support the findings of these studies.

Oh, lastly, if you want to question the research, I had one idea that's possibly a weak spot of the evidence - I don't believe research exists that confirms how men can get an implant, exercise it rigorously, and what will happen to their size maybe 2+ or 5+ years later if they quit all exercises. So, on some level, maybe this research is tricking us with shorter timeframes and not pointing out that if you want to keep your dick at its maximum size, it might take a little work for the rest of your life. But is that really a problem? I spend so much time and energy getting my body in good physical shape to be able to use my dick, made me realize I might as well exercise my damn dick also.

[davidwhite08]

Hi there - so your titan is expanding in length since your were implanted? Do you think it’s the cycling? Did Dr Hakky oversize you? Dr Hakky just did my implant yesterday. I am looking firward to cycling and really hoping to gain length back that I lost from prostate cancer trestments.


quote="riseagain"]I posted this in another post.

Postby riseagain » Tue Jun 13, 2023 4:36 pm

Mine is expanding in length. Don't now why, but maybe because of aggressive cycling and using the VED a few times a week. This morning when I put the ruler to it bone pressed, it measured 7 1/2 inches in length and around 6 1/4 inches of girth at the base and 6 inches midshaft. I was never this big before. I'm going to continue this routine for a while.
64 yrs old. Started using Viagra mid-forties, Pre op length 6.5 to 7 inches, girth 6 inches at base and 5.5 mid shaft. Post op length 7 1/4 inches, lost a little girth. Married 38 years to an awesome wife. Implanted on 8/4/2022 Titan 24cm XL. Dr Hakky[/quote]

[riseagain]

I'm just over a year into this new implant and it seems to have settled into its final state of length and girth. Maybe I was this length years ago before ED took away some of the length and girth. Can't really remember.

Dr. Hakky did oversize me as he does with most of his clients, which is a good thing I feel. I do the VED quite often and that might be what got my length back so fast. He told me during my last visit with him, that if I continue to use the VED it will only get bigger, but only to a certain point.

I'm happy where I am with the length and girth. I just love that it can outlast my wife now. Our last session she came four times. That only happened during our younger years. I wish I had gotten this thing years ago.

[JetAirliner]

Quick question .... Received my implant three weeks ago (Coloplast Titan) and have my first cycling appointment next week .... How hard is it to locate the deflation buttons on the Coloplast Implant? I have located the inflation bulb. I travel for work and don't want to get stuck in the up position in some hotel room! Thanks.

[riseagain]

As stated in another post, it will take a few time trying to locate the release button . When you figure it out it will become easy.

Feel for the bulb which is easy. The locate the value on the top. It has two sides, one has a concave feel to it. That's used to help hold the value while you push the small button on the other end. Push it easy and hold your shaft and squeeze. you should start to deflate.

Will get easier over time.

[newbie443]

So I am day 12 post revision.
Bruising is almost all gone but there is still some scrotal swelling.
I am thanfully getting natural engorgement but have not yet begun cycling.
I can see that my natural erection / engorgement is approximately an 1" shorter after my revision. Down from 6.5" to 5.5".
I am optimistic I will get that back after I begin cycling.
My question is...
how does cycling actually increase length??
Does the actual implant increase in length as it gets "broke in" allowing you to pump more?
Does your penis just increase in size allowing the implant to pump more?
Or is it something else?

I am going to add my point of view to hopefully get this back a bit to the OP's question and address a few of the other posts. Penis tissue is like muscle tissue and needs exercise. Men have multiple nocturnal erections every day to exercise our penis and this happens even before we are born. When these stop the tissue, like a muscle that stops getting a nerve signal, will atrophy and become stiff. This is why when erections fail of greatly diminish that a VED is helpful in preventing or greatly slowing down the size loss. All this is covered in the doctuments worth reading thread in the general discussion section of this forum. I will link the article for those who seem to not be able to navigate this site or seem to be blinded to any other information. https://augustams.com/how-to-use-a-peni ... -exercise/ I think it is important to point out the different causes for size loss. First is the one I listed above. This is loss of size before surgery. Second is loss during surgery. This publication also in the documents worth reading thread address the different causes of size loss. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4708606/ This second size loss is done by doctors erroring on the side of safety using an old sizing technique that often has a doctor subtracting from the in surgery measurement. This newer measurement will add 1 or 2 cm.

"When choosing the size of cylinders to be used, inadequate sizing or intentional downsizing by surgeons will have a direct impact on the final erect penile length. Before the arrival of IPP, synthetic intracavernosal semirigid rod penile prostheses were used extensively. Surgeons trained in the insertion of semirigid prostheses are often taught to downsize the rods to avoid distal erosions. This is not necessary with IPPs, where the risk of distal erosion is minimal.

In fact, a new length measurement technique for IPP has allowed larger cylinders to be inserted in primary implants with no increased risk of distal erosion after 24 months. The key points of this new technique are the addition of 1 cm length to the total measurement when the dilator does not drop down proximally into the lateral crux of the corpora onto a firm bone stopping point, and the addition of another 1 cm if the dilator does not go all the way out into the glans"

This publication also covers the selection of a higher volume surgeon showing larger devices used, VED and external traction and other information. Please read both of these to understand the context as you should any other. Like the earlier posted link that was only stated by the poster as for the long aggressive cycling when in reality the paper was for the new sizing method that was specific for the Titan. I was not able to locate the paper about the new
length measurement technique (NLMT) but feel free to go to the earlier posted link and look for yourself. I do not have a Titan but if you are considering one it is worth looking into. I say this because of this study.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5654325/

In Table 1 it shows that the LGX does expand much more than the Titan. That would mean there is a need to size them differently. And why higher volume doctors are better at sizing and lower volume doctors will have more men with floppy glans from under sizing.

Last will be size loss after surgery. This has to do in many cases with cycling. Or more specific wait times for activation. This article from the DWR thread on this site shows this.

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... prosthesis

It is simple in that the longer your wait to start cycling the more permanent this capsule is around the device and the slower and lesser size gains with cycling.

So to answer the OP's questions. Cycling works like nocturnal erections or VED therapy prior to surgery. Also traction can be placed into this. Like stretching a muscle so it will have full range of motion. But like with a muscle you need to take care with this. Stretching to fast or to much can cause damage. And why you need to follow your doctors instructions that most always have you start for short amounts of time and one session a day and even skipping a day and then building up to twice a day every day for longer time. That is if you were sized correctly or have a LGX device that expands much more than the Titan. If you have a Titan that was undersized by a low volume doctor and had an 8 week or more wait time for activation you are fighting uphill and up stream. The Titan does expand a little but table 1 shows it is far less than the LGX. And as the other papers show doctor high case volume will give you a larger device. So partly it is a bit larger device or the LGX expanding more. And over time like stretching a muscle you stretch the tissue to full range. Again this depends on you and if and how much size loss you had before surgery. If your doctor caused you size loss in surgery and if you had a long activation wait time.

[chad2304]

My doctor never told me to cycle.He said pump it up for sex and deflate when you are done.Also he would not let me test it for about 7 weeks. So I guess I lost alot of size because of Dr .Bodie.It was years before I found out you have to cycle.So I will never get enough size back to be able to have intercourse again unless i break it and have it replaced.

[newbie443]

My doctor never told me to cycle.He said pump it up for sex and deflate when you are done.Also he would not let me test it for about 7 weeks. So I guess I lost alot of size because of Dr .Bodie.It was years before I found out you have to cycle.So I will never get enough size back to be able to have intercourse again unless i break it and have it replaced.

I would say that never is a long time. I would cycle 3 times a day everyday for up to an hour each time. You may want to try adding pumps every 5 minutes or so. Wear it out if you can and in the mean time measure every 2-3 months. The gains will be really small and you may not have any every time you check but even every other time is something. You might want to also try gentle traction. I would place my thumb on top and index and middle fingers on the bottom at the base of my glans and gently pull straight outward then back and repeat up, down, left, and the right. Then repeat for as many times as I had time. I did this pre op when I did not have time for VED use and post op pulling out to re position the cylinder tips in my glans.

The studies I have read say that 3.5" is enough for sex. Publications list Us average size at 5.35" and Cambodia is last in the world with an average of 3.95". So a lot of Cambodia men are less than 3.95". Still there are lots of babies being born.

Sucks to have lost 2" of size. I lost just under an inch and even though I am still above average I hate it. I have always been a ladies first man though and have researched skills for having sex. It was the norm for me for my partner to have an orgasm or even 2 before penis in vagina sex. Pretty difficult for the women or partner to complain if she is getting her release. Women have sex with men they like. Learn to be a good lover and find women you like that like you. And you or your partner will not have to worry about your erection not lasting for as long as you both want it to.

Again I understand the loss and hope for you good thing going ahead with this.

[chad2304]

Thank you for your reply.We try on and off but I just keep comming out so I just lick her and rub her for several orgasms.I have to just masterbate to orgassm for myself.I could have done this before spending about $22,000.00 on an implant.What a waste of money.I will try what you mentioned and see if I can get some of my lost length after all these years.

Thank you for your help.