Questions about the implants

The final frontier. Deciding when, if and how.
billylee
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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby billylee » Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:47 pm

trucxrule wrote:Hey all,

As for implant size - I'm happy with my natural size and/or my VED size but if the benchmark is to pull out my limp flaccid unit & give me only that I think I will wait till size choices become an option. My pull length is not my natural erection length . If a VED can produce size n girth one would think newer cylinder n pump designs could make it happen. I realize the need to overcome cylinder buckle n erosion but its surely doable.

Trucx


I agree that what one sees in tube of VED certainly looks exceptional, at least for me, but unfortunately, in some cases length is better due to the pumping of pubic fat and/or some scrotum. As to girth that looks good in VED tube and immediately on release (as flaccid state), I plan to ask that question to surgeon on my next consultation.

Another note: Some state a length from pubic bone to tip. In many of us (and I am not particularly overweight, but I am 68) pushing ruler to bone is pushing down some pubic fat so not truly what we see in erection as far as inches go.

A stretched out penis with no hardness is not so pretty, but if with implant inflated it is as hard as most who have IPP say theirs is, it sounds good to me.....and to stay hard will really be nice.
billy
72, ED & PE worsened with age, TURP 2008, Prostrate 1.71, T-559,
Coloplast Titan OTR 21 cm (20+1 cm rear tip extender) on 3/11/2014 by Dr. Allan Morey UT-SW Medical/Dallas

rlm1818
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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby rlm1818 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:12 pm

billylee wrote:Another note: Some state a length from pubic bone to tip. In many of us (and I am not particularly overweight, but I am 68) pushing ruler to bone is pushing down some pubic fat so not truly what we see in erection as far as inches go.


Exactly. That is why the most common way of measuring is to the pubic bone. The idea is to measure the true size of your erect penis, not the size of your fat pad. For anyone with a noticeable fat pad, the single best way to get a longer visible penis is to loose the fat pad. Your penis is anchored deep inside your body. It doesn't start at the skin.
22cm Coloplast Titan OTR implanted Feb 2012 by Dr Francois Eid in NYC.
Initial implant experience here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1308

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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby rlm1818 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:23 pm

billylee wrote:According to my surgeon, Dr. Allan Morey, the Coloplast Titan was the recommendation for me so that I WILL get girth. I have read, and I suspect you have also, that the AMS LGX is the device that gives the girth and possible length, but I am now to believe that it is often a per individual basis and perhaps the Titan is more immediate than future growth (girth), at least for me. Knowing that Morey has used both devices also influences my belief that it is per individual. He asked me did I want more girth and I said yes, he was then quick to recommend the Coloplast.


It is a fact that the Titan, at least in the longer lengths, has a slightly larger maximum girth than either the AMS LGX or the AMS CX. Coloplast advertises this quite a bit. My doctor, who has done thousand of implants, Titans, LGX's and CX's told me that it was rare for any of these devices to actually expand to their maximum girth inside the body. Normally the tissues of the penis, the cavernosa and tunica, limit the girth that is actually achieved. And yes, that does vary one individual to another.

If you dig in the the archives here there a lots of reports of erect girth from each of the different devices, and there is quite a bit of variability. I have read of many guys with LGX's and CX's who get more girth than I do with my Titan. I've also read of plenty of Titan guys who get more girth. Is there any trend in the reporting, where it seems (to me) that guys with Titans get consistently more girth than guys with LGX's or CX's? I, for one, don't see it. Seems to me that unless you are very very very exceptionally wide to begin with, any of the devices will give you the girth you are capable of getting.
22cm Coloplast Titan OTR implanted Feb 2012 by Dr Francois Eid in NYC.
Initial implant experience here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1308

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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby rlm1818 » Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:53 pm

p1s8d2 wrote:9. I have the LGX. But, my research confirmed the Coloplast can increase girth only over time.


Not so. I as well as others "gained length over time" with a Coloplast Titan. Both the Titan and the LGX both have maximum lengths to which they can expand. The LGX achieves its maximum length by being able to stretch lengthwise as it expands. The Titan (and the AMS CX), do not stretch lengthwise as they expand. The only way you "gain length over time" is if the maximum length of the device that is installed is longer that the initial starting size of your cavernosa. Or, put another way, its oversized to some degree. If its oversized it will put pressure on the ends of the cavernosa when its inflated near the maximum. Initially its length will be limited by the ends of the cavernosa. If the tissue is capable of slowly stretching more over time with theraputic pumping, then you will see length gains. These will stop either when the tissue has reached its maximum stretch, or the maximum length of the device is achieved, whichever comes first. If the device is not oversized (compared to the initial size you have) you will not see length gains. Well, sort of. After surgery, when you first pump up and its sore, you may not even get as far as that "initial size" due to soreness, scar tissue that forms post-surgery, etc. So even then as you start pumping you may see length gains as part of the recovery process as scar tissue breaks up and as the tissues toughen up and are less sore.

Plenty of docs with experience with both LGXs and Titans (or CX's) will tell you there's not much difference in final erect size between the two, assuming they are both installed correctly. My Titan was explicitly "oversized" by a small amount (about 1 cm) and I did see about 1/4 inch of gains in length over about 3 months.

The biggest difference between the Titan and LGX is that some docs are more comfortable oversizing the LGX than they are with the Titan and CX. If any unit is too large, more than the penis can handle, the result is not more stretch, its an "erosion" if it goes on long enough, and probably pain when erect before that. I think the theory is that the LGX, because of the lengthwise stretch, puts less pressure on the tips when its length is limited by the body, so if its oversized by a little too much, its still ok. AMS in their operating room manual, recommends sizing the CX to the exact measured length of the cavernosa during surgery (though in my case with my Titan, for example, the doc oversized it by about 1 cm more than that). They recommend (or some argue they don't recommend this, but simply show it as the only example of how to size) picking a nominal size 2cm less than the comparable CX when placing an LGX. Because of the lengthwise stretch of the LGX, that translates into 1-2cm of oversizing when considering the maximum size of the LGX. By this I mean that an 18cm LGX has a nominal or unstretched length of 18 cm, but a maximum size of 18% more, or 21.25cm. So if the measured size is 20cm, they would recommend a 20 cm CX and an 18cm LGX (which could stretch if the body allows it, to 21.25cm). Docs don't have to follow these recommendations, and I assume some, or even many do not. A doc, like mine, who judges there is stretch beyond the measured size, could size a CX or Titan to 21 cm, in my example, and achieve the same potential as the LGX. Another doc using an LGX might oversize it by more than AMS recommends, creating still more possibility for stretch.

"Length gain over time" is all about sizing, and not quite so much about the device.
22cm Coloplast Titan OTR implanted Feb 2012 by Dr Francois Eid in NYC.
Initial implant experience here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1308

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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby bendermcbendy » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:11 am

thanks for the answers guys! I really appreciate it.

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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby billylee » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:51 am

rim,
Great points and I read them with much learning and interest. As I have stated in other posts, I was very surprised when Dr Morey suggest the Titan for me, as all I read seemed to almost guarantee the AMS LGX would be for me. I have read that the Titans were especially used on individuals with large penis, well trust me, I am a long ways from large. I still wonder why the Titan is surgeons choice form.

rim, may I PM you with a question or two? Not sure if you will get PM however, I seem to have terrible luck with FT outbox but do have luck with inbox if perhaps you would PM me a e-address or means of contact.thanks

Billy
72, ED & PE worsened with age, TURP 2008, Prostrate 1.71, T-559,
Coloplast Titan OTR 21 cm (20+1 cm rear tip extender) on 3/11/2014 by Dr. Allan Morey UT-SW Medical/Dallas

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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby billylee » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:57 am

rlm1818 wrote:
billylee wrote:Another note: Some state a length from pubic bone to tip. In many of us (and I am not particularly overweight, but I am 68) pushing ruler to bone is pushing down some pubic fat so not truly what we see in erection as far as inches go.


Exactly. That is why the most common way of measuring is to the pubic bone. The idea is to measure the true size of your erect penis, not the size of your fat pad. For anyone with a noticeable fat pad, the single best way to get a longer visible penis is to loose the fat pad. Your penis is anchored deep inside your body. It doesn't start at the skin.


And wow, would I love to get rid of some "fat pad" (especially after Christmas, ha) but at 68 (your times coming) it is difficult to do. I exercise several times a week on treadmill and am in good enough shape to climb mountains after elk in the fall, but I do have "old mans" falling tissue. I suspect the wonderful length of penis I see in the VED tube is near a extra inch of pad and perhaps a little scrotum noticed by larger bulge at base in tube. Getting old is trying. lol

billy
72, ED & PE worsened with age, TURP 2008, Prostrate 1.71, T-559,
Coloplast Titan OTR 21 cm (20+1 cm rear tip extender) on 3/11/2014 by Dr. Allan Morey UT-SW Medical/Dallas

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Re: Questions about the implants

Postby jryancey44 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:47 pm

I just had a Titian implanted DEC 4th, most of the top doctors favor these if you look at the research. My doctor favors the Titian but uses both,he said it is more ridgid and adds to girth I know mine has about 30%,they also appear to last longer than the ams in years. He told me I would not lose what I stretched in the office in a flaccid state. He is a top surgeon at Duke Hospital and does 125-150 a year. Good Luck!
Jim

billylee wrote:b,
I have not had my implant yet, scheduled for March 11th, but I might start some answers for you. According to my surgeon, Dr. Allan Morey, the Coloplast Titan was the recommendation for me so that I WILL get girth. I have read, and I suspect you have also, that the AMS LGX is the device that gives the girth and possible length, but I am now to believe that it is often a per individual basis and perhaps the Titan is more immediate than future growth (girth), at least for me. Knowing that Morey has used both devices also influences my belief that it is per individual. He asked me did I want more girth and I said yes, he was then quick to recommend the Coloplast. I must say I was surprised, and I was thinking I wanted a AMS LGX, but I trust his choice. I have a second consultation Jan 13th so plan to get more understanding of choice....again, I trust his recommendation.

Although I was really leaning to AMS, I do believe Coloplast has been exceptionally inventive to IPP market in the last few years with introduction of soft tips, ITR, a newer more round pump, coatings, etc. Both devices are winners and one might show slight advantage over another per individual.

Hope this helps and I will be interested in some replies to your questions....and I do not doubt you can get them here at FT. Welcome.

billy


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