VED Post Op. Why?

[on the road of life]

Some colleagues say that it has been positive for them.
And I understand those who use it to thicken the glans.
Also, as mentioned, perhaps in the Post-Op time, to give space to the cylinders, since a VED can stretch the penile tissue.
Apart from this, I think it should be looked at carefully.
After the cylinder has reached its maximum size, my thought is that it goes against the integrity of the cylinder (of course, depending on the vacuum we apply).
When the doctors show you the implant outside, they twist it so that you see it flaccid, they push it from the tips so that you see the rigidity, or they hit it against their palm like a porn movie. but I have never seen them try to stretch it, so you can see how much it can grow, probably because it is not designed for that.

Some thoughts

[Rider1400]

I’m sure using a VED could help speed up the process of breaking in your cylinders. However at the one year mark I had returned to my pre implant size plus a little additional girth. At 13 months I ran out of fluid meaning my cylinders can’t and won’t get any bigger. I feel if I were to have use a VED I might have gotten there a little sooner, but at the point where you run out of fluid it would be useless and. Old cause my dick to stretch out past the implant limits or make the implant less rigid. I looked at the notes on my surgery and my Dr used the maximum suggested amount of saline fluid that manufacturers recommend for the size cylinders I got. After reading what was posted about research done with people who used VED I can mirror the exact same thing as they did by simply pumping and doing the perito exercises. Maybe it would have been quicker maybe not. I was installed infrapubic and where the tubing comes out on top side of my penis my VED pushed against those tubes causing a bit of discomfort so I never tried it again. Either way I am maxed out with what I have.

Yea I'm on the fence about it, I'll be sure to ask my Dr about it as well. Interesting about you maxing out your saline reservoir, I never heard of that. Does that mean you can't pump up to full rigid? What are your measurements pre op and now? Which implant model do you have?

I get rock hard and bulb is difficult to get the last little bit in as my implant is very hard. Hasn’t gotten any less hard it is just simply maxed out.
Pre op with a good dose of trimix I was 6-3/4 and 6 girth. Immediately after implant I was 5-1/2” and about 5-1/2 girth. Girth came back by 4-6 months length came back gradually over a 10 month period. Now I’m back to 6-3/4 maybe a little more if I’m engorged a lot. And my girth is up to 6-1/4 at the base and 6-1/2 mid and a little less just behind the glands. Titan 20 plus 1cm RTE.

[2435tjklAS]

Because a whole bunch of doctors researched it and found that using a VED before implant makes your dick as big as it was before you suffered from ED, and using a VED after the implant makes your dick even bigger than it was in the first place.

Several of the many important ones here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18561&p=169469#p169469

Also if you want to see how I learned about these and which ones I've used you might find my write up on page 3 starting with "haha, well ty, though don't ever forget I'm still an idiot" helpful.

Thanks man! did Boston Scientific give you a protocol? I know a lot people are saying that pumping over 5 Hg isn't recommended.

Nope, turns out "protocols" might be a technical term that really means companies are telling you to be gentle and try not to break anything.

I asked Boston Scientific directly about protocols. First this is where she initially mentioned them as well as when I first learned about VEDs:

Later in the email I think I kept bugging her to try to find these protocols until she made it clear they aren't a thing she actually has:



Which led to me asking my urologist who did the implant about any possible protocols for exercises:



In response to me asking if VEDs or even things like jelqing are included in some guidelines/protocols, his answer was that make sure to wear supportive underwear if you're doing vigorous jogging.

I think that reply is very revealing of the correct perspective to view this - doctor's don't exactly have an incentive to tell you how to be sure and make your dick as big as it can be. The length of your penis being 5.6" or 6.3" is not medically relevant, only a working implant is.

Of course this doesn't mean I don't trust doctors advice, but when I started using FrankTalk a few years ago it seemed like everyone's doctor had told them to "cycle 15 minutes a day" and nothing else, and they took that literally and often lost size, thinking that had more to do with the specific surgery than the exercise to recover pre and post-implant. I'm telling you doctors wanting you to do the minimum exercise to avoid any chance of mistake is a reasonable choice for them; but is it one for you if regaining/gaining more size is a priority?

I hope you can imagine if a bunch of real, peer-reviewed medical research, done by many different professionals in different parts of the world, is proving VEDs are effective at regaining size and also increasing it, your doctor not sharing much direct info about exercises is also for avoiding you from suing him for malpractice if you break anything trying to make your dick bigger (and oh my, I'm sure many would).

lets say you are able to inflate 100% and then usw a ved to enlarge your penis. how do the cylinders behave? given they cant stretch anymore/cant keep utp, doesn't that result in floppy glans? if not, howcome?

I don't think you're using a VED to "enlarge your penis." You are using it first to repair the broken tissues caused by fibrosis while dealing with ED for likely years, then after the implant, you're using it because modern products are designed specifically to increase their size at full inflation.

How?



I don't freaking know. I didn't invent them. They just do. And while you're exercising it to maximize your size maybe you need to keep it up because you're making your dick pliable to expand even further.

(I stole the word "pliable" because I read my same urologist use it in a different record. I would never be intelligent enough to use that word on my own. )

[pjt1958]

excellent information! thank you. Is there a specific company/type of VED that anyone recommends?

[Stampede]

and using a VED after the implant makes your dick even bigger than it was in the first place.

I don't think you're using a VED to "enlarge your penis."

Well...???


I was talking about implants in general, not the LGX only, which is the one, that expands in length. Moreso: I was stating, that if your implant is allready at maximum inflation, using a VED will lead to floppy glans.
The option to

expand even further

is only given, if your cylinders are not inflated to full extend. If they are, then there is nothing in your penis to "extend even further", the only thing that will happen is, that your natuaral tissue will expand further and your cylinders cant keep up/there is nothing in your penis to make up for the added length.

[2435tjklAS]

and using a VED after the implant makes your dick even bigger than it was in the first place.

I don't think you're using a VED to "enlarge your penis."

Well...???

Correct, a VED doesn't "enlarge your penis." The entire process of getting a penile implant and doing consistent exercises every day with a VED is very capable of enlarging your penis. You could also possibly make your penis larger after getting an implant with cycling alone, but it would take a lot longer and I think I believe it might not make its max potential size, but I don't truly know anything.

Using a VED before and after getting a penile implant will first return your dick to the good ole days when you were a horny 22 year old, and using one after might turn you into a horny 60 year old who has a lot more fun in his free time.

These are facts that are empirically proven in clinical research about how these work and the consistent results they deliver to real patients. There's also more than a sufficient amount of anecdotal information, like my size increase album I just PM'd you that shows I once had a penis that was about 8.75" and never once in my life was it 9" or more, yet it is now and I can prove it, because an getting an implant and using VEDs made it so.

The research is consistent that implants in combination with VED exercises leads to a gain of 1cm, 2cm, or 3cm. Mine seems to be a bit under 2cm. This is how these products work, so if you are someone who has been avoiding an implant out of fear of losing size, you can forgot that fear and instead get one with confidence your dick is gonna get even bigger.

I was talking about implants in general, not the LGX only, which is the one, that expands in length. Moreso: I was stating, that if your implant is already at maximum inflation, using a VED will lead to floppy glans.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea of implants reaching their maximum inflation. It might be out there in the research but I've just never heard of it so I'm not positive how that would work. It sounds like your position is basically that if a VED went ahead and expanded your dick tissues like I claim, but unfortunately there's bad luck and it turns out your implant had already reached its max size so you aren't capitalizing on the benefits of expanded tissues.

I think your idea also accidentally explains why one of mine is accurate, or something.

The option to

expand even further

is only given, if your cylinders are not inflated to full extend. If they are, then there is nothing in your penis to "extend even further", the only thing that will happen is, that your natuaral tissue will expand further and your cylinders cant keep up/there is nothing in your penis to make up for the added length.

I don't know where the idea came from that implants do have a maximum inflation spot that remains constant. I once did consider that maybe the research proved what VEDs do for the first two years but not the next 5, and maybe if you quit your dick dies off again. I don't know what to say about that. I'd think it'll be getting reported soon if it's truly happening.

excellent information! thank you. Is there a specific company/type of VED that anyone recommends?

I think I quoted the post where this comment I left earlier is. Decent advice that works for me. People here like LeLevs, and for good reason, but lots you can find out there.

I bought my first VED about 5 hours after getting that email from the liaison. I chose the BOS-2000-2. I no longer recommend it. Dropped it and it broke. Bought it again. Dropped it again. Broke again.

If you want to save money all you really need to do is buy this LuLuv off eBay for about $20. https://www.ebay.com/itm/382225773164

It's manual and it feels like the suction is about the same as all other VEDs. I bought one to keep in my hiking backpack to use when I go and sunbathe, and one I keep by my bed to use a bit before sleep if there aren't any others around. This VED comes with cylinder seals you can attach to make the device more comfortable. My advice: throw them away. Using vacuum suction on your dick will not ever be "comfortable" - you will get used to it (and it's worth doing it) and I have no problem using them often now, but if you start this process with the false belief exercising your dick is a good part of your day then you're probably doing it wrong. You don't need to make anything more comfortable, just use it and get used to it, it won't take you very long and it's not even that bad.

After the BOS-2000-2 broke twice I bought this Deluxe Battery and Manual Vacuum Erection Device by Encore:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002P ... UTF8&psc=1

I don't know if I got lucky, but it seems to be a great sign that despite me dropping it and damaging it repeatedly, the thing still works when I scotch and duct tape the tiny metal piece back to connect the batteries:



I think I do prefer battery power; manuals are just a little bit more work, but not a huge difference.

I also bought this LeLuv Smart LCD device from eBay cause someone here recommended using it after replacing his Bathmate with it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143624388854?var=442594419886

I liked it and it seemed a bit stronger than other VEDs I've tried, but I did drop it and break it and bought it twice
but didn't decide to buy it a 3rd time.

Instead I bought this one, and because it seems others at FrankTalk have recommend it: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PK ... UTF8&psc=1

Both of those I can say seem to have a little more strength than others I've used, but all a VED does is put vacuum suction on your dick; I don't think there's ever gonna be a stark difference between different devices. One of these LeLuvs works really well if you prefer electric. The one also works really well if using a manual with a gauge is of your interest. They all do pretty much the same thing, and I'd imagine all are probably effective enough to reach your goals.

As I mentioned a few comments up, I also did buy the Bathmate, and it seemed really strong and pretty effective, but I would NOT say it's required. Most all of the current medical research states that one basic VED use even for just like 5 minutes a day can be all it takes. If you're excessive and like overkill like me, consider the Bathmate, but I strongly doubt it's necessary. They're also bulky, and using mine in the actual bath seemed annoying so I just filled it up in the sink and used it over a tub in my living room. Possibly weird, and I'm lucky I live alone, but it worked well enough. Sharing to any potential buyers that a "bath" is not required.

[Craigohbig]

This sounds like nonsense. Boston scientific paying for the studies?

[2435tjklAS]

This sounds like nonsense. Boston scientific paying for the studies?

I’m cycled religiously with the first implant
Rarely cycle the new implant
Zero difference

lol, looks like Craig is at it again. It really doesn't work that way. Explained it last time: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=21498&start=10

I think Craig has a habit of occasionally making posts/comments that are 50% true, 40% humorous satire, and 10% relatively stupid, lol, but to answer this directly...

First like always I'm not an expert on anything, but about you cycling religiously the first time - I looked it up and your first implant was November 24, 2021, and looks like it failed right at a year after in November 2022. I would imagine that the revision didn't make your size go all the way down to your first post-op smallest size? I know I lost over two inches my first time, and if it failed right now and I got a revision it wouldn't be that small again?

Also importantly, whether or not you are cycling religiously, or at least cycling consistently and somewhat aggressively, I do know a ton of men on these forums and elsewhere who followed their doctors very conservative advice of only cycling 15 minutes a day, and the result led to the #1 patient complained being lost size. So Craig hasn’t experienced much of a difference, but he’s probably happy about his efforts that led to his first recovery.

About the mountains of medical research confirming modern implants and VED use work to regain/gain more size, Craig says:

Pfizer funds vax studies
Pump makers do the same

I wish I was an expert with experience who knew all the details about this incredibly complicated process, but I can fairly confidently say your objection of who funded the studies doesn’t change the real data and the real results. Pfizer funds most of the studies of their medicine because who the hell else is gonna fund them? I understand the idea of a company funding anything that supports their product makes people suspicious of prejudices to the findings designed to increase their profits, but that’s not how medical reseach works. What they’re funding is the creation of a process for trained medical professionals under close supervision following the scientific method to acquire empirical evidence that cannot be faked and that reaches real conclusions.

If you want to learn more about the insanely complicated field of medicine, medical research, and pharmaceuticals I highly recommend watching this show/documentary that doesn’t seem to get mentioned much here.

It’s on discovery+ called “VIAGRA - The Little Blue Pill That Changed the World.” You should be able to grab a 7-day trial and watch the three episodes for free (don't forget to cancel!): https://www.discoveryplus.com/show/viag ... e-world-us

The reason I’m surprised it’s not mentioned often here is because one of the guests happens to be this guy who is the founder of this very forum we find ourselves on!



Suffice to say, this documentary is relevant here.

What I took from this show is basically that Viagra came out, and men being lazy like men are relied on taking a pill to get hard instead of putting in any effort to improving their penis health. This has been suggested in recent research that the move away from VEDs likely had a lot to do with the introduction of Viagra.

Conclusion: I imagine Craig is somewhat sarcastic here, but cycling really does do what it's supposed to do, and the best part about it is it can be explained and understood just what ED has done to all of our dicks, as well as what we all can do to fix them. There's also anecdotal evidence from myself as well as many other men here and elsewhere of penises regaining their former pre-ED sizes, as well as implants making them bigger than they ever were before. Our experiences support the findings of these studies.

Oh, lastly, if you want to question the research, I had one idea that's possibly a weak spot of the evidence - I don't believe research exists that confirms how men can get an implant, exercise it rigorously, and what will happen to their size maybe 2+ or 5+ years later if they quit all exercises. So, on some level, maybe this research is tricking us with shorter timeframes and not pointing out that if you want to keep your dick at its maximum size, it might take a little work for the rest of your life. But is that really a problem? I spend so much time and energy getting my body in good physical shape to be able to use my dick, made me realize I might as well exercise my damn dick also.

[Stampede]

Correct, a VED doesn't "enlarge your penis."

wrong. A VED without an implant can and will enlarge your penis. This is not only based on multiple reports and research, but also on personal experience over many years of PE.

I was talking about implants in general, not the LGX only, which is the one, that expands in length. Moreso: I was stating, that if your implant is already at maximum inflation, using a VED will lead to floppy glans.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea of implants reaching their maximum inflation. It might be out there in the research but I've just never heard of it so I'm not positive how that would work. It sounds like your position is basically that if a VED went ahead and expanded your dick tissues like I claim, but unfortunately there's bad luck and it turns out your implant had already reached its max size so you aren't capitalizing on the benefits of expanded tissues.

Exactly. This is the point I wanted to make the whole time. And no, it is not only a "idea". I have a lot of answers for your question where the "idea" of implants reaching their maximum inflation comes from, but the easiest of them all would be: you run out of fluid.

Regarding the Link for your album: it is not working.

[frank66665]

Because a whole bunch of doctors researched it and found that using a VED before implant makes your dick as big as it was before you suffered from ED, and using a VED after the implant makes your dick even bigger than it was in the first place.

Several of the many important ones here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18561&p=169469#p169469

Also if you want to see how I learned about these and which ones I've used you might find my write up on page 3 starting with "haha, well ty, though don't ever forget I'm still an idiot" helpful.

Thanks man! did Boston Scientific give you a protocol? I know a lot people are saying that pumping over 5 Hg isn't recommended.

Nope, turns out "protocols" might be a technical term that really means companies are telling you to be gentle and try not to break anything.

I asked Boston Scientific directly about protocols. First this is where she initially mentioned them as well as when I first learned about VEDs:

Later in the email I think I kept bugging her to try to find these protocols until she made it clear they aren't a thing she actually has:



Which led to me asking my urologist who did the implant about any possible protocols for exercises:



In response to me asking if VEDs or even things like jelqing are included in some guidelines/protocols, his answer was that make sure to wear supportive underwear if you're doing vigorous jogging.

I think that reply is very revealing of the correct perspective to view this - doctor's don't exactly have an incentive to tell you how to be sure and make your dick as big as it can be. The length of your penis being 5.6" or 6.3" is not medically relevant, only a working implant is.

Of course this doesn't mean I don't trust doctors advice, but when I started using FrankTalk a few years ago it seemed like everyone's doctor had told them to "cycle 15 minutes a day" and nothing else, and they took that literally and often lost size, thinking that had more to do with the specific surgery than the exercise to recover pre and post-implant. I'm telling you doctors wanting you to do the minimum exercise to avoid any chance of mistake is a reasonable choice for them; but is it one for you if regaining/gaining more size is a priority?

I hope you can imagine if a bunch of real, peer-reviewed medical research, done by many different professionals in different parts of the world, is proving VEDs are effective at regaining size and also increasing it, your doctor not sharing much direct info about exercises is also for avoiding you from suing him for malpractice if you break anything trying to make your dick bigger (and oh my, I'm sure many would).

lets say you are able to inflate 100% and then usw a ved to enlarge your penis. how do the cylinders behave? given they cant stretch anymore/cant keep utp, doesn't that result in floppy glans? if not, howcome?

I don't think you're using a VED to "enlarge your penis." You are using it first to repair the broken tissues caused by fibrosis while dealing with ED for likely years, then after the implant, you're using it because modern products are designed specifically to increase their size at full inflation.

How?



I don't freaking know. I didn't invent them. They just do. And while you're exercising it to maximize your size maybe you need to keep it up because you're making your dick pliable to expand even further.

(I stole the word "pliable" because I read my same urologist use it in a different record. I would never be intelligent enough to use that word on my own. )

Hi 2435, you who have used VED continuously, I have some questions for you, how much did you pump the implant before inserting it into the VED?, how long did you hold it before deflating the VED, when you insert the VED and aspirate, around the penis there are system pipes... Is there a risk of damaging them? I'm oversized and would like to try this option before doing a review, but I don't want to cause any damage