Trying to Progress with ED

[skeener]

Am now 4 months post PCa surgery. Wondering what I should be expecting at this point.

I am on my own so I will have to practise on myself until I gain confidence to return to a partner.

So far:
1. Have been stimulating willy manually but I could stimulate him manually until the cows come home with no results.

2. A shower massage feels a bit better each day but no orgasm. Interestingly it feels like willy is getting hard in the shower but no such luck.

3. Went out to a sex shop and bought a super duper VED. This one made in China sucks willy in and has two vibrating functions. Again feels good but no erection and no orgasm.

4. Have some viagara on hand which I used to use presurgery to help things along. Willy always went to attention within 15 minutes on even a 15 mg dose -- now nuttin.

5. Porn bill has started to mount. Don't want porn to become too expensive as I wait and wait for something to happen.

Can't accuse me of slouching (although that is what willy is doing). Am I trying too hard? Any experiences or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Skeener

[Daniel]

Skeener:

I too am now four months post surgery and am having the same problems. I've tried all three pills at full strength, on an empty stomach, with plenty of visual and manual stimulation (and a few times with MUSE even!), and there is no sign of life whatsoever. In fact, I swear it gets SMALLER! All I get is freaky vision, red in the face, and a big case of heart burn. The pump swells things up a bit, but as soon as I start manual stimulation, it's completely gone.

At my three month doctor's visit, he thought it would be another 9 months(!!) before I got it back. Is the year from surgery the time things start to wake up, or the time by which I can expect to have a useable erection? I am going crazy with this situation, and it's really depressing! The doc also seems unconcerned about treatment and penile rehab, expressing doubt about medications or pumps helping with the healing process. (I get the impression that he's happy to give the patient any thing he wants, if it makes him think he's helping, just for the psychological effect.) Why I am looking at that damn pump every time I go into the bathroom, wasting time using it and taking these pills that only give me more problems if they're not going to help? And if the totally pathetic "orgasms" don't improve, I consider the whole thing a complete f***ing waste of time.

When am I going to see ANYTHING?

Dan

[skeener]

Hi Dan - tx for the reply. Send you a private email.
Skeener

[jackpTenn]

Skeener & Dan

I did not have PCa but peyronies and all the complications that go with it. The effects on the penis is almost the same.

Doctors that do prostate surgery are not Male Sexual Function Specialist. Dr. Milam at Vanderbilt is one of the top 3 Male Sexual Function Specialist in the world. I chat with several men with PCa that have been to him or are going to him. This is some of his recommendations.

Start a daily VED exercise as soon as possible. I have posted the exercise on the Pump thread. It is a slow process. Takes time and dedication. A medical grade VED is best the porn shop ones do not get the job done.

If you are not having erections fibrosis starts to set up in your penis. When that happens you start to loose penile size. The daily 15 minute exercist will help keep your penis healthy because is acts like a night time erection bringing fresh blood into your penis.

It is not fun, it is not sexually stimulating, it is messy to a point with the lube to get the seal. Do not use a constriction ring for the daily exercise. Yes when you let the pressure down your penis will go flaccid. Over a period of about 3 months you will start to see some improvement.

If you do not do something now after a year all you loose in penile size will not be recoverable. That is why they recommend an implant at 1 year if all other methods fail.

The VED with a constriction ring can be used for sex with your partner. IMHO Osborn makes the best constriction rings, I tried them all and that worked best. Is it like a normal erection, no. But it kept me functioning for almost 3 years.

Caution: You can hurt yourself with a VED. Do not pump to the point of discomfort or pain. Only hold pressure for 15-20 seconds then release (without breaking seal) and re pump. Start slowly do not try for a full erection to start with, this in in the exercise, but it is worth repeating.

Hope this help you some.

Jackp

[Paul-Mod]

Glad you guys are in touch! At four months, it would seem most doctors would be talking injections. For so many guys, the injections jump start the process and discover that the process tends to wake up nerves and responses. I can't emphasize enough that every man I have ever talked to about injections say how painless they are. While that seems counter-intuitive, one guy explained to me that while there are certainly nerves in the penis (thank god) there are few pain receptors in the skin of the penis. The needles are as fine as can be made and are easy to use.
Meanwhile, keep pumping. Also, no orgasms? Are you masturbating for a long time? You might try a vibrator, especially on the perineum while you masturbate. Many guys, even post surgery, still find anal stimulation to be a huge help in achieving orgasm.
Keep us posted - both with the good and the not so good, ok?
Paul

[skeener]

Early March Update

Four months and I am still mourning my loss. Trying to live with it.

Franglais elsewhere on this blog mentioned the loss of the ejaculate. I am not even close to thinking about that yet.

Oh sigh -- I used to be so happy with Mr. Woody. I had a very active cowper gland and so I had a lot of precum. Never rushed to penetration but it was such fun to fool around with the cowper gland keeping everything oiled and it felt so good.

Cowper gland is gone, gone, gone. Sad, sad, sad.

I have been working very "hard" to get Mr Woody primed again.

Went into an adult store to get a VED. Of course, there would have to be a mid twenties sales clerk on duty. She took one look at me and said "We don't sell the electric models here!"
I blushed and said "that's fine I'll look around." Had never been in a sex shop -- lol -- a little late now to use these rows and rows of sex toys or is it?

I did buy this Chinese made VED. It has got a ribbed rubber insert and two (count em two) stimulators. There is just a tiny slit for Mr Woody. That's fine with me, because all I got now is a tiny woody. Took a while to get him in, used the suction and then turned on the vibrators. Now this is nothing like real sex, but hey – not a bad feeling. Quite pleasurable actually.
Have been doing this for six weeks now. Started adding 25 mg Viagara. Noticed Mr Woody is starting to plump up. Hope this is a good sign.

Now that Mr Woody is plumping up a bit, it is harder to get him into the VED. Thought I would use baby oil to help lubricate. DO NOT DO THIS!! Sure Mr. Woody was sucked in but so was one nut. I can tell you, if you do this, you will NOT do it again, ever.

Now someone on this site suggested getting a vibrator. That was my next step. 20 minutes of the VED, little nip of Viagara then stimulate Mr. Woody with the vibrator. This could be promising in the long term. For now though it is all rather odd. My frenum (??) likes being stimulated. If I watch some porn (this is new to me too!) I feel my balls start to expand and then I get this wimpy baby climax.

Is this all I am to expect, or do you think that if I keep using the VED and the Viagara and the vibrator that things will improve.

I do not want to stick needles into Mr Woody nor do I want to have a penile implant.
Also do not like getting a message from my internet provider that I have used all my month’s bandwidth (watching porn) by the 15th of the month.

For now, masturbation will have to do. Hey I'm not against masturbation. Been doing it two or three times a week for 50 years. Yes, I do wear glass but no hairy palms.

Sure would be nice to have a partner again.

Any comments?
Skeener

[franglais]

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[Frank Talk Admin]

Mike,
Would you post a pic or web address for tht vibrator? Even start a new thread if you would! That is news we could all use.
Paul

[PK Man]

Has anyone here had any experience or information on ERECTION MASTER? I was told about it and went on line using the aforementioned and it seems to be an advertisement. My friend has just had in the last 2 months or so a prostaectemy (SP?) He is as desperate as I am to get back in the game in some way. Let me know if you have any positive or negative input.