Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums but have been reading Frank Talk for some time. I don't think I've seen this question before, when using a VED I can get an increase of about 1 inch in my girth, does this mean that when I get my implant (Titan - 10/12/12) I should be able to get my girth to this larger size since I'm able to "stretch" it to this size (width) with the VED? Also is it possible to keep using the VED after the the implant to keep that larger girth (if the implant wont get me there)?
Thank you!
Question on girth
Question on girth
Last edited by dennov on Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:25 pm, edited 3 times in total.
61 year old with a 23 cm Titan.
Re: Question on girth
dennov wrote:Hi everyone, I'm new to the forums but have been reading Frank Talk for some time. I don't think I've seen this question before, when using a VED I can get an increase of about 1 inch in my girth, does this mean that when I get my implant (Titan - 8/12/12) I should be able to get my girth to this larger size since I'm able to get "stretch" it to this size with the VED?
Thank you!
Do you already have the implant? From what I understand the Titan do not stretch in size.
Age 71. Married 52 years. Location Oregon. PCa at age 56. Open RP surgery and radiation treatment. Oral or injection drugs didn't work. Implanted 10/13/20. Titan Narrow Base 18cm with 1cm left and 1.5cm right rear tip extenders.
Re: Question on girth
Whoops sorry, that's supposed to read 10/12/12. I didn't mean stretch in length but in girth.
Thank you for your reply
Thank you for your reply
Last edited by dennov on Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
61 year old with a 23 cm Titan.
Re: Question on girth
If I remember my reading correctly, all the implants expand in girth to some degree, while only the AMS 700LGX expands in length. I don't recall if I ever saw girth expansion numbers for any of the implants.
Since I will most likely be recieving an AMS 700LGX on 10/1/2012 I have not concentrated much on the Coloplast line.
Remember the ultimate expansion is limitted by what the penis will tolerate more than what the implant can deliver. The same is true for length of course.
If I may be so bold as to use the length number, you can expect a maximum of 18% expansion from the device. Remember I am using remembered AMS data not Coloplast data since I am at work and don't have my research papers with me.
Radiodec
Since I will most likely be recieving an AMS 700LGX on 10/1/2012 I have not concentrated much on the Coloplast line.
Remember the ultimate expansion is limitted by what the penis will tolerate more than what the implant can deliver. The same is true for length of course.
If I may be so bold as to use the length number, you can expect a maximum of 18% expansion from the device. Remember I am using remembered AMS data not Coloplast data since I am at work and don't have my research papers with me.
Radiodec
70 - married 47 years: RP - 2000, injections till 2012, AMS700LGX with 21cm tubes 2cm extenders 11/7/2012, failed 6/5/2017 --- Re-implanted 8/18/2017 with AMS 700CX -- Implants by Dr. David Morris, Hendersonville,TN
Re: Question on girth
I'm no expert, just another patient with a Titan. The Titan can expand girthwise a great deal. More than the LGX or CX. However, my Dr (Eid) told me that it was rare for any device (CX,LGX or Titan) to ever get to its full width potential, with the patient's anatomy being the limiting factor.
I get fractionally less girth than I did with a VED (now 7 mos post op). Remember that with a VED you get engorgement of both the cavernosa and the spongeosum. The implant, whether Titan, LGX or CX only helps inflate the cavernosa. Some people get little or no engorgement of the spongeosum (which depends on your own arousal and blood flow) post op, some get lots, and some get it later, after a delay, sometimes a year or more. The spongeosum engorgement adds to girth do a degree. AFAIK, as a general rule, and baring special situations, you should be able to get at least as much inflation of the cavernosa with the implant as you could with the VED. Sometimes, with the implant, you will see improved girth expansion over time as you work it as your body continues to stretch. In my case, I haven't. I have been told I have a lot of peyronies scar tissue that restricts girth. I think everyone is a bit different. But without spontaneous engorgement of the spongeosum, you might not get the same girth as the VED, unless you are one of the lucky ones who continues to stretch in girth over time with the implant.
As far as the VED post implant, AMS in their manuals explicitly states you should NOT use a VED. I haven't seen a similar statement from Coloplast about the Titan, which allegedly is sturdier. But I've never heard of a doc recommending it, and I personally would be extremely cautious and never consider it without assurances from a highly experienced doc.
I get fractionally less girth than I did with a VED (now 7 mos post op). Remember that with a VED you get engorgement of both the cavernosa and the spongeosum. The implant, whether Titan, LGX or CX only helps inflate the cavernosa. Some people get little or no engorgement of the spongeosum (which depends on your own arousal and blood flow) post op, some get lots, and some get it later, after a delay, sometimes a year or more. The spongeosum engorgement adds to girth do a degree. AFAIK, as a general rule, and baring special situations, you should be able to get at least as much inflation of the cavernosa with the implant as you could with the VED. Sometimes, with the implant, you will see improved girth expansion over time as you work it as your body continues to stretch. In my case, I haven't. I have been told I have a lot of peyronies scar tissue that restricts girth. I think everyone is a bit different. But without spontaneous engorgement of the spongeosum, you might not get the same girth as the VED, unless you are one of the lucky ones who continues to stretch in girth over time with the implant.
As far as the VED post implant, AMS in their manuals explicitly states you should NOT use a VED. I haven't seen a similar statement from Coloplast about the Titan, which allegedly is sturdier. But I've never heard of a doc recommending it, and I personally would be extremely cautious and never consider it without assurances from a highly experienced doc.
22cm Coloplast Titan OTR implanted Feb 2012 by Dr Francois Eid in NYC.
Initial implant experience here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1308
Initial implant experience here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1308
Re: Question on girth
Thanks all for your replies, I'm hoping for at least 1/2" to 3/4" improvement on girth, if I get a one inch improvement I'll be an extremely happy camper.
Dennov
Dennov
61 year old with a 23 cm Titan.
Re: Question on girth
dennov wrote:Thanks all for your replies, I'm hoping for at least 1/2" to 3/4" improvement on girth, if I get a one inch improvement I'll be an extremely happy camper.
Dennov
Are you talking about an increase from flaccid to erect? Here is and interesting video to watch about the Titan implant.
http://drpaulperito.net/appropriate-pen ... perito-md/
Age 71. Married 52 years. Location Oregon. PCa at age 56. Open RP surgery and radiation treatment. Oral or injection drugs didn't work. Implanted 10/13/20. Titan Narrow Base 18cm with 1cm left and 1.5cm right rear tip extenders.
Re: Question on girth
Thanks for the video link, very interesting. I'm talking pre-implant erect girth verses post implant erect girth. What little bit of firmness and girth i get now (with cialis) i can increase by about 1" with a VED, i was hoping the Titan will give me the same girth as the VED does. I think since the VED can swell me up to an inch more girth i should think the Titan can do it as well. BTW, my wife likes girth over length so this is for her not me
Thanks,
Dennov
Thanks,
Dennov
61 year old with a 23 cm Titan.
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